Workflow Editor Feature Suggestion - option to prepopulate answer fields

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Eleanor Emmott | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Nov 20 2018 10:21 AM

Currently, in the Workflow Editor, the Question/Answer element allows you to enter a Question.  Then, when the user enters a response in the Answer field, a new note is created with the user's response.

It would be useful to have the option of prepopulating the Answer field.

When a new workflow is created with it's associated notebook, some prepopulated notes would be automatically created.

Here are some use-cases:

1.  Prepopulating the Answer field with a title 

  • This would be helpful when reviewing the answers in the notebook.  I add titles (bolded text at the beginning of each note) so I can quickly scan the note list and pick out the information I want to review.  

2. Prepopulating the Answer field with a summary of the question

  • Again, this would be helpful when viewing answers in the notebook, where you cannot see the content of the Question field.

3.  Prepopulating the Answer field with a template. 

  •  For example, I compile my sermons into a Logos Personal Book.  So during sermon preparation, I gather the information for the personal book "Sermon table" into a note.  I have now added this step into my sermon workflow. It would be nice to prepopulate that answer field with a template that I could fill in each week.

Sermon Table Information for PB

Scripture:

Topics: 

Tags: 

Speaker: 

Venue: 

Date: 

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Ken Shawver | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2018 11:55 AM

Eleanor Emmott:

3.  Prepopulating the Answer field with a template. 

  •  For example, I compile my sermons into a Logos Personal Book.  So during sermon preparation, I gather the information for the personal book "Sermon table" into a note.  I have now added this step into my sermon workflow. It would be nice to prepopulate that answer field with a template that I could fill in each week.

Eleanor, nice post and suggestions...I haven't spent much time yet using the Workflow but see how this could be very useful. Would love seeing your prep steps. Definitely would make things easier in finding information.

Thanks for sharing.

In Christ,

Ken

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Eleanor Emmott | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2018 12:20 PM

Thanks Shawn.

It's still a work in progress, but here's my current sermon workflow: https://fl.vu/Yk78H

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2018 12:42 PM

Eleanor Emmott:

It's still a work in progress, but here's my current sermon workflow: https://fl.vu/Yk78H

How did you get a custom guide to create boxes like the two with the red brackets and find the link to embed in the circled example?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2018 12:50 PM

David Thomas:
How did you get a custom guide to create boxes like the two with the red brackets

Simply select from the "Add" dropdown

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2018 12:56 PM

David Thomas:
find the link to embed in the circled example?

Open the Passage Analysis Tool, click the three vertical dots and copy the URL

Then you can insert it using the link button in the Workflow Editor

giving

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2018 12:59 PM

Graham Criddle:
Simply select from the "Add" dropdown

THANK YOU!!!! I guess I had not noticed the scroll bar on the right side of the drop-down box so I did not know of any options below "Biblical Events"

I had cross referenced my custom textual workflow with the steps of the Expository Sermon workflow and the Passage Exegesis workflow so that I had to open 3 workflows to process a passage.

THANKS AGAIN!!

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Eleanor Emmott | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2018 1:19 PM

David Thomas:
How did you get a custom guide to create boxes like the two with the red brackets and find the link to embed in the circled example?

For the link, I opened the passage analysis tool from the tools menu. Then I opened the menu in the tool and copied the location as a url.  In the work flow, I typed "Passage Analysis", highlighted it, selected the link button, and pasted in the url link.

I did that in a number of places in the workflow and it usually worked.  Occasionally something went wrong and I had to try it a few times, but I'm not sure why.

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Eleanor Emmott | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2018 1:20 PM

Hmm.  Graham's pictures are much better than my explanation ;)

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Ken Shawver | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2018 2:02 PM

Eleanor Emmott:

Thanks Shawn.

It's still a work in progress, but here's my current sermon workflow: https://fl.vu/Yk78H

Thanks Eleanor.

In Christ,

Ken

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Ken Shawver | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2018 2:02 PM

Eleanor Emmott:

Thanks Shawn.

It's still a work in progress, but here's my current sermon workflow: https://fl.vu/Yk78H

Thanks Eleanor.

In Christ,

Ken

Dell Studio 1555; 15.6 True Life LCD; Intel Core 2 Duo T6600 2.20 GHz, 2M Cache, 800 MHz FSB ; 500GB 5400 HDD; 8GB RAM, Win 10, Chrome 70

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2018 9:44 PM

Eleanor, I'm considering adding your suggestion to my list of WF Editor suggestions. I'm wondering, however, if a couple of the existing suggestions may sufficiently cover your needs. I'd love to hear your opinion on the following:

Eleanor Emmott:

1.  Prepopulating the Answer field with a title 

  • This would be helpful when reviewing the answers in the notebook.  I add titles (bolded text at the beginning of each note) so I can quickly scan the note list and pick out the information I want to review.

This might be sufficiently covered by 'Allow defining of Note Attributes', especially by the set tags and set note content type (not yet developed). Additionally, if you had a scheme for note icons and colors, these could be employed in helping to scan for the content you're interested in (we'll also be able to sort by note icon eventually).

Eleanor Emmott:

2. Prepopulating the Answer field with a summary of the question

  • Again, this would be helpful when viewing answers in the notebook, where you cannot see the content of the Question field.

This could be covered by "Display 'Question' text in note" which is currently at number 21 on my list but doesn't yet have a dedicated post. That suggestion was given here by Mark Barnes, and my response to it is the last post on the first page of that thread. I think it would be best to have the ability in the editor to choose whether or not the question text gets displayed on hover.

Eleanor Emmott:

3.  Prepopulating the Answer field with a template. 

  •  For example, I compile my sermons into a Logos Personal Book.  So during sermon preparation, I gather the information for the personal book "Sermon table" into a note.  I have now added this step into my sermon workflow. It would be nice to prepopulate that answer field with a template that I could fill in each week.

I don't currently have a suggestion that directly covers this. However, since there are plans to support exporting from the Notes Tool into the Sermon Editor and assuming Multiple Note SupportProject Name Field, and Allow Defining of Note Attributes get added, it might make more sense to request development of the sermon editor and/or the ability to export from there.

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Eleanor Emmott | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 21 2018 7:34 AM

Reuben Helmuth:

1.  Prepopulating the Answer field with a title 

This might be sufficiently covered by 'Allow defining of Note Attributes', especially by the set tags and set note content type (not yet developed). Additionally, if you had a scheme for note icons and colors, these could be employed in helping to scan for the content you're interested in (we'll also be able to sort by note icon eventually).

The note attributes would be helpful, but I'd still like to be able to insert default content at the top.  When I put a line of bolded text at the top of my note, I can see it previewed when I glance at the note list.

Reuben Helmuth:

2. Prepopulating the Answer field with a summary of the question

This could be covered by "Display 'Question' text in note" which is currently at number 21 on my list but doesn't yet have a dedicated post. That suggestion was given here by Mark Barnes, and my response to it is the last post on the first page of that thread. I think it would be best to have the ability in the editor to choose whether or not the question text gets displayed on hover.

Yes, that suggestion would cover what I'm asking for in terms of having the question (optionally) available

Reuben Helmuth:

3.  Prepopulating the Answer field with a template. 

I don't currently have a suggestion that directly covers this. However, since there are plans to support exporting from the Notes Tool into the Sermon Editor and assuming Multiple Note SupportProject Name Field, and Allow Defining of Note Attributes get added, it might make more sense to request development of the sermon editor and/or the ability to export from there.

The Sermon Editor is different than a sermon personal book.  A personal book allows me to have a logos-type resource with a compilation of the sermons I have preached over the years.  It is compiled from .docx documents and shows up in my library.  

https://wiki.logos.com/Sermon_and_Illustration_Support 

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/117292.aspx

I realize that maybe not as many people build personal books anymore.  But I do think that allowing prepopulated template-type text could be useful in several contexts.  After all, whether it's for sermon preparation or devotional purposes, if we use a given workflow on a daily or weekly basis, it's quite likely that people will be entering very similar text into some Answer fields each time.

For example:

Passage Background information

Author:

Recipients:

Setting:

Date:

"ACTS" Prayer

Adoration:

Confession:

Thanksgiving:

Supplication:

Order of Service

Call to Worship scripture:

Opening Hymn:

Sermon Scripture:

Sermon Title:

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SteveF | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 21 2018 1:24 PM

The Sermon Editor is different than a sermon personal book.  A personal book allows me to have a logos-type resource with a compilation of the sermons I have preached over the years.  It is compiled from .docx documents and shows up in my library.  

Please do not re-design things so that PBBs become an "orphan".  They ARE the way that I do Sermons.  

This happened years ago with "Hand-outs" They were "abandoned" and never improved upon.

Thank you

Regards, SteveF

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