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Mark | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Nov 27 2018 7:23 PM

I own Fathers of the Church Series 127 volumes.  This series is no longer for sale as far as I know.

It has been replaced by Fathers of the Church 136 Volumes.  This series is for sale.  The cost for the upgrade for what seems to be only a few more volumes is astronomical. 

Then I notice that while I own Fathers of the Church Series 127 volumes, according to the product page, when I do the expanding of resources, I do not seem to own everything in this series.

I am wondering if anyone can help. I am guessing that I originally purchased something that may have been called The Apostolic Fathers Protestant edition many years ago.  Could it be that this was replaced with the Fathers of the Church Series 127 volumes which has since been replaced again with the 136 volume edition?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 27 2018 7:45 PM

Mark:
I am guessing that I originally purchased something that may have been called The Apostolic Fathers Protestant edition many years ago. 

Highly unlikely ... Fathers of the Church Series is an ongoing publication of Catholic University of America. I have 149 volumes of the series in my library.

The only series I have called The Apostolic Fathers is a 12 volume series from Lightfoot.

The only Protestant / Protestant edition I am aware of is the Schaff collection. However, I know of at least one church fathers collection that is no longer for sale and is also not in my library.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 27 2018 9:13 PM

Thanks MJ Smith for your reply.  I am trying to understand this.  The Fathers of the Church series (27 Vol) was in my wishlist greyed out saying I owned it. I deleted it as a result from the wish list and am not able to reproduce the price that was listed while it was greyed out in the wish list.  I do know that hovering over it produced a message that I already owned the product.

The new series of more volumes does not show that I own any of the books (but I actually do own many of the books in my library).  So something does not seem right and I am trying to understand it

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 27 2018 9:54 PM

I suspect it was one of the smaller collections that the Fathers of the Church major collection was broken down into. Or at one time the Fathers of the Church had 127 volumes offered. ...

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 28 2018 2:57 PM

MJ. Smith:
Or at one time the Fathers of the Church had 127 volumes offered. ...

It did.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 28 2018 4:27 PM

Mark:
I am guessing that I originally purchased something that may have been called The Apostolic Fathers Protestant edition many years ago.

I'm guessing that what you bought was the Early Church Fathers Protestant Edition (37 vols.). That is a completely different series from the Fathers of the Church. You will not get any dynamic pricing on the latter because you own the former.

Mark:
The Fathers of the Church series (27 Vol) was in my wishlist greyed out saying I owned it.

More likely it was greyed out because it is no longer sold. Or perhaps what you had in your wishlist was the Early Church Fathers and not the Fathers of the Church.

Mark:
The new series of more volumes does not show that I own any of the books (but I actually do own many of the books in my library)

What series does your library say those books belong to: the Early Church Fathers or the Fathers of the Church? 

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 28 2018 5:31 PM

It looks like the original 127 volume Fathers of the Church by CUA is now replaced by the 136 volume edition.  The difference is the recently published 9 volumes in the Fathers of the Church Upgrade.  That upgrade was part of some of the recent v8 base package libraries.

There is also a 15 volume Mediaeval Continuation that appears to be in production and a different 2 volume Mediaeval Continuation that is not ready.

It does seem a little confusing.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 28 2018 8:43 PM

fgh:
I'm guessing that what you bought was the Early Church Fathers Protestant Edition (37 vols.). That is a completely different series from the Fathers of the Church. You will not get any dynamic pricing on the latter because you own the former.

This is correct

fgh:
What series does your library say those books belong to: the Early Church Fathers or the Fathers of the Church? 

Glimm, F. X., Marique, J. M.-F., & Walsh, G. G. (Trans.). (1947). The Apostolic Fathers (Vol. 1). Washington, DC: The Catholic University of America Press.

This is one of 12 resources I own in the Fathers of the Church: Fathers of the Ante-Nicene Era (23 vols.) series

I own one resources in the Fathers of the Church: Latin Fathers of the Nicene Era (25 vols.) series

I own 11 resources in the Fathers of the Church: St. Augustine (30 vols.) series

So altogether in the Fathers of the Church series, out of 127 volumes, I own 24 volumes.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2018 11:43 AM

Mark:
So altogether in the Fathers of the Church series, out of 127 volumes, I own 24 volumes.

Or, now that the 127 volume version is no longer for sale, you own 24 out of 136 volumes, a little under 20% of the total. The 136 volume collection is thus going to look pretty expensive when it's not on sale.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2018 12:45 PM

SineNomine:

Mark:
So altogether in the Fathers of the Church series, out of 127 volumes, I own 24 volumes.

Or, now that the 127 volume version is no longer for sale, you own 24 out of 136 volumes, a little under 20% of the total. The 136 volume collection is thus going to look pretty expensive when it's not on sale.

Yes, I understand that.  I am just wondering how I got the 24 volumes.  When the 127 volume version was in my wish list, it was greyed out with a price tag on it, but also when hovering, it said I already owned it.  Unfortunately I cannot reproduce that as I deleted it from the wish list along with all others that were now showing as owned.

I am simply trying to understand this all.  Has anyone pulled together a chart that shows what Fathers of the Church series has that Early Church Fathers Protestant edition does not have.  And why in the world was there a catholic edition and protestant edition in the first place? 

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Robert Harner | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2018 1:13 PM

Mark:

Yes, I understand that.  I am just wondering how I got the 24 volumes.  When the 127 volume version was in my wish list, it was greyed out with a price tag on it, but also when hovering, it said I already owned it.  Unfortunately I cannot reproduce that as I deleted it from the wish list along with all others that were now showing as owned.

I am simply trying to understand this all.  Has anyone pulled together a chart that shows what Fathers of the Church series has that Early Church Fathers Protestant edition does not have.  And why in the world was there a catholic edition and protestant edition in the first place? 

Perhaps you bought one of the subsets.
https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=%22fathers+of+the+church%22 

Here are discussions about it when it was released:
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/73456.aspx?PageIndex=1 

Conserning the differences between catholic/protestant editions:

Mark Barnes:

The only distinction is that the Catholic edition is missing some of the introductory material which many people view as anti-Catholic in places.

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/119909/787682.aspx#787783 

 

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2018 1:38 PM

Mark:
I am just wondering how I got the 24 volumes.

Over the past few years a few of them have been broken out and put in base packages or other collections. That is how I have 18 of them.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2018 3:21 PM

Thanks all for your comments and help.  Robert, you links were very helpful.  Thanks again.

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