8.1 (8.1.0.0016) is Now Available

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 11 2018 9:32 PM

doc:

Any update on when the auto columns setting is going to be fixed on the home page.

This has been fixed and is working for me. It does still show 4 columns briefly before anything gets rendered but switches to 5 (which is what fits on my screen) when rendered. Are you seeing something different?

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James Hudson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 11 2018 11:04 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
It's still on the list to do, but there have been higher priority issues that have kept us busy.

I, too, had been eagerly expecting and awaiting these seemingly simple widgets.

After the launch of Logos 8, it seemed the most common complaint (together with setting the preferred bible) to fix this omission - in fact it was actually a backward, retrograde step in the UX by actually making it harder (more steps/clicks) to do something that was easy in the previous version. Surely this level of interest/demand from users/customers should see these features included on your priority list. After all, users are ultimately your ambassadors and sales staff - you don't want to be creating a new tag line: 'Logos 8 - making things more difficult for the user than Logos 7'!!

Moan over! Thanks for all the fixes you have been working on.

James

PS: My list of other desired features/priority list are:

1. Tables and images in notes

2. Much much much improved library file management [e.g. easily change from within the program folder/drive book resources are stored, which books to download from my account to a particular device etc etc etc]

3. Tables and images in Canvas

3. More levels of the numbering/heirarchy in Workflows e.g. 3.a.i.(i) etc

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 12 2018 5:54 AM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

doc:
Why did Logos remove this in the first place.

We didn't modify the old home page. Instead, we completely started over from scratch. There wasn't time to implement the feature you are talking about in the new implementation, and the old implementation could not be kept, as it is not compatible with the new homepage. It's still on the list to do, but there have been higher priority issues that have kept us busy.

Andrew

Appreciate that it is difficult to give the level of detail that will satisfy everyone but some idea of where items fit in the priority list and how that might translate to a delivery date/release would be one way to avoid the on going frustrations.

Rightly or wrongly 8.1 was mentioned a lot in the context of what was missing from 7 on day one and this has set some "false" expectations. Unfortunately until some expectations are set by Faithlife these "false" expectations will persist and the frustration will continue.

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 12 2018 6:52 AM

MJ. Smith:

Sean:

I'm glad to see this update but: 6 weeks on and no updates to the Theology Guide dataset?

Hey, there's no date function on the lectionaries either so just wait in line.Stick out tongue

Hopefully they prioritize re-adding lectionary functionality in the next update. And why are the Lectionary and Devotional Quickstart layouts not included in the list of Quickstart layouts you can add to the homepage? If there are 11 Quickstart layouts total there should be 11 Quickstart layouts included in the list of Quickstart layouts you can add to the homepage, not just 9. I actually wouldn't mind if you brought back a single card with all the Quickstart layouts listed like you had in Logos 7. That was handy.

I have customized the homepage Lectionary layout, therefore it will only open the Catholic lectionary since that's the one I saved the layout with. Thus I like to also use the Quickstart Lectionary layout to open the Revised Common Lectionary in a layout. Right now I'm pretty much rolling with the Catholics since that's the only lectionary that will open from the homepage. Even when I add another lectionary card to the homepage it still opens the Catholic lectionary because I've customized the Lectionary homepage layout. If I could also add the Lectionary Quickstart layout to the homepage, at least it would open my top prioritized lectionary (RCL Daily). That's what I was doing in Logos 7, using the Quickstart layout with my RCL Daily readings and the homepage layout for the Catholic lectionary. Yes I do use more than one lectionary.

Faithlife might also consider simplifying the Lectionary homepage layout, there's way too much going on for daily reading. I wouldn't have to customize the homepage layout if it weren't so busy. I noticed you simplified the Passage homepage layout in the last update, you should do the same for the Lectionay homepage layout. My suggestion is to remove the commentary and devotional. I don't use a commentary for daily reading or for simple study, if I need a commentary I'll open one ad hoc, not off the bat. The devotionals are completely unrelated to the readings in the lectionary so I don't need that on the layout. Also, I don't need five bible translations, two would suffice. And put the "cited by" and "explore" tabs side by side in a panel instead of stacking them, there's too much info in both tabs for a half-screen set up (especially on my 14-inch laptop). So that leaves you with the lectionary (and the missal if Catholic), two bibles, and the explore and cited by tabs side by side in the same panel, simple and clean. Just my suggestion, but maybe others have input on how to simply the Lectionary layout.

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 12 2018 7:06 AM

David Taylor Jr:

Honestly some people are going to complain no matter what Faithlife does.  

Perhaps if we do it vigorously enough we can get some aerobic benefit out of it.

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 12 2018 7:42 AM

Now the font in the Table of Contents is small, at least I am happy! Big Smile

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 12 2018 7:44 AM

Veli Voipio:

Now the font in the Table of Contents is small, at least I am happy! Big Smile

Me too. Yes

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Ken Shawver | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 12 2018 9:31 AM

Right.

If you aren't familiar with the software industry that is always true. Development always look at their priority lists for fixes and enhancements. Faithlife, from an outsiders view that understands the industry of software development, does a good job. It is hard as you want to continue moving the product forward, but at the same time addressing issues and desires of the user base as it fits with resources.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 12 2018 1:03 PM

Kiyah:
Faithlife might also consider simplifying the Lectionary homepage layout, there's way too much going on for daily reading. I wouldn't have to customize the homepage layout if it weren't so busy. I noticed you simplified the Passage homepage layout in the last update, you should do the same for the Lectionay homepage layout. My suggestion is to remove the commentary and devotional. I don't use a commentary for daily reading or for simple study, if I need a commentary I'll open one ad hoc, not off the bat. The devotionals are completely unrelated to the readings in the lectionary so I don't need that on the layout. Also, I don't need five bible translations, two would suffice. And put the "cited by" and "explore" tabs side by side in a panel instead of stacking them, there's too much info in both tabs for a half-screen set up (especially on my 14-inch laptop). So that leaves you with the lectionary (and the missal if Catholic), two bibles, and the explore and cited by tabs side by side in the same panel, simple and clean. Just my suggestion, but maybe others have input on how to simply the Lectionary layout.

My 2 cents: I would strongly argue in favor of the commentary (a study Bible for most laity) and for the devotional which for me is a Saints reference that ties directly into the lectionary/liturgical calendar. Are you seeing something different? Why would I argue for the commentary and the saints? Because (a) newbies don't have to learn how to open specific resources immediately if they are already there (b) people are lazy and won't bother to look up what they don't quite understand if it requires remembering the name of the resource to open, opening it, finding the right location ... but they will glance over if it is only a column away.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 12 2018 2:54 PM

MJ. Smith:

My 2 cents: I would strongly argue in favor of the commentary (a study Bible for most laity) 

Little Rock Catholic Study Bible seemed like a good tie in to remind people of this PrePub.

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 12 2018 10:44 PM

MJ. Smith:

My 2 cents: I would strongly argue in favor of the commentary (a study Bible for most laity) and for the devotional which for me is a Saints reference that ties directly into the lectionary/liturgical calendar. Are you seeing something different? Why would I argue for the commentary and the saints? Because (a) newbies don't have to learn how to open specific resources immediately if they are already there (b) people are lazy and won't bother to look up what they don't quite understand if it requires remembering the name of the resource to open, opening it, finding the right location ... but they will glance over if it is only a column away.

Good point on the saints being tied in with the lectionary. Since a saints resource isn't my top prioritized devotional and since none of the non-saint, non-catholic devotionals in my library are tied to any of the protestant lectionaries, having the devotional open doesn't really help me. But I still think they could have just 2 bibles open (at most 3 like they've done with the Passage layout) instead of 5. I also see your point on the commentary/study bible, I just don't open commentaries that early in my reading process and I get annoyed by having to move or close the commentary so that I can see my Bible in a full vertical panel instead of stacked on top of the commentary that I'm not using. I just think it's such a busy layout for lectionary reading.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 12 2018 11:25 PM

Kiyah:
I just think it's such a busy layout for lectionary reading.

I've not thought of it as for reading the lectionary per se but for preparing weekday service remarks or answering questions for RCIA/Mystagogia students or . . .

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 13 2018 12:15 AM

MJ. Smith:

Kiyah:
I just think it's such a busy layout for lectionary reading.

I've not thought of it as for reading the lectionary per se but for preparing weekday service remarks or answering questions for RCIA/Mystagogia students or . . .

That's fair. But I also know people who use the RCL Daily Readings for Lectio Divina or what ever kind of daily devotional reading they do. As a non-catholic who also isn't preaching each Sunday, I use the lectionaries for (quasi-)daily reading according to the church calendar. It has made me more engaged and disciplined in my reading than trying to do a daily bible reading plan, which I always abandon after a few weeks. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 13 2018 12:53 AM

There is certainly no reason that there can't be more than one lectionary based layout.

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 13 2018 1:27 AM

MJ. Smith:

There is certainly no reason that there can't be more than one lectionary based layout.

Yes Now there's an idea.

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Mike Pettit | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 13 2018 2:16 AM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

doc:
Why did Logos remove this in the first place.

We didn't modify the old home page. Instead, we completely started over from scratch. There wasn't time to implement the feature you are talking about in the new implementation, and the old implementation could not be kept, as it is not compatible with the new homepage. It's still on the list to do, but there have been higher priority issues that have kept us busy.

This was precisely what the connect subscription was intended to avoid, a steady development rather than a rushed release

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 13 2018 2:23 AM

Mike Pettit:
This was precisely what the connect subscription was intended to avoid, a steady development rather than a rushed release

But it's not possible to completely re-write something in six-week intervals. The new home page couldn't (easily) have been built in that way. Six-week blocks are great for incremental improvements. Major releases are great for significant changes. I'm glad there's both, because if Logos only ever had incremental improvements it would fall behind, and if it only had major releases I'd get impatient for change.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 13 2018 5:45 AM

Mike Pettit:
This was precisely what the connect subscription was intended to avoid, a steady development rather than a rushed release

Of course, this assumes that L8 was a rushed release which I wholeheartedly disagree with. And honestly, the release notes are a minor issue when you really think about it. It is not as if they are not available, you can get them just like always.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 13 2018 8:53 AM

Things are better with 8.1 but I do think 8 was rushed. it felt more like a beta than a release to me, too many things not functioning properly and consistently, I seriously wanted to downgrade. 8.1 while more stable still feels to me less polished than 7 was. 

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 13 2018 9:19 AM

I don’t think L8 was rushed. But it was time-limited. It was the best that could be done in a limited time period. Given that 8.1 is already out, and 8.2 won’t be far behind, I think ”best in the time available“ is OK.

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