page numbers not showing up in citations for JPS Classic Midrash collection

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Dec 16 2018 4:10 PM

I'm citing certain sections of these books for a book I'm writing and the page numbers are not showing up in the citations for the items in this collection:

https://www.logos.com/product/3002/jps-classic-midrash-collection

I acquired it as part of the Jewish Studies Library Expansion XL if that makes a difference.

Mekhilta de-Rabbi IshmaelMekhilta de-Rabbi Shimon bar Yohai

are the resources I've tried to cite so far. 

Any ideas how I can fix this?

-Jeremiah

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Scott E. Mahle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 16 2018 4:35 PM

Unable to replicate. I get page numbers in my citations using the APA style.

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 16 2018 4:48 PM

APA was not working for me a couple days ago so I changed styles trying to get the page numbers.  I changed back to APA now and it works.  

Now, I tried cycling through some styles and sometimes the page number shows up sometimes they don't (when returning to the same style).

Anyway, I'm fine now as I see how to "trick it" to get the page numbers to show up if they aren't (just cycle through a few styles and come back).

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I'm using Windows 10, logos 8

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 12 2019 11:20 PM

This is happening again.

Here is an example from the Jerusalem Talmud:

guilt incurred in the holy offering [that the people of Israel hallow as their holy gifts]” (Ex. 28:38). Just as, in the latter context, the sin under discussion is the sin pertaining to those things that are offered and not to the sins of those who make the offering, so here, the sin under discussion is that sin pertaining to the things that are offered, and not to the sin of those who make the offering.

Neusner, J. (2008). The Jerusalem Talmud: A Translation and Commentary. Peabody, Massachusetts: Hendrickson Publishers.

No volume or page number information is copied.

My citation style is set to: APA Style (6th ed.) and I haven't changed it in ages.

I don''t know if this is a Logos bug or some meta data not present in this resource.

To reproduce:

Run Logos 8 on Windows 10 OS (may not reproduce on macintosh if it's a bug).

I have all latest updates.  Resource: Neusner Jerusalem Talmud, section: y. Shabu. 1:4, I.2

Thanks in advance folks,

Jeremiah

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 12 2019 11:34 PM

Jeremiah:
Here is an example from the Jerusalem Talmud:

That resource doesn't have page numbers so they won't appear in citations.

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 13 2019 7:51 AM

I wouldn't think this is too big of an issue since some formats (all?) have rules for citing sources with no page numbers. Usually the rule is to cite the heading and the paragraph number. 

These formats have to provide allowance for the fact that, in our digital age, getting a page number isn't always possible.

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 13 2019 7:58 AM

Hi Graham, any idea why it doesn't have page numbers?

The hardback edition has page numbers.

Logos also provides page numbers for the Babylonian Talmud of the same format by Neusner, same author.  This is a modern work, his translation and commentary.  Heres an example from a citation from his Babylonian parallel project; exact same kind of work, same author, etc.:

Neusner, J. (2011). The Babylonian Talmud: A Translation and Commentary (Vol. 18b, p. 716). Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers.

Another strange thing I noticed was the traditional reference indicated near the top was 38C.  If I were to cite a Talmudic page in this manner it should be the daf "page number" followed by A or B (front or back).  There is no C.  If I don't quote Neusner's translation I'll often just refer to the daf.  In this case I want to quote his translation. Are you guys certain the resource is consistent? I don't understand why there wouldn't be page numbers from a 1999 book series. 

As always I appreciate your help!

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 13 2019 9:50 AM

Hi Jeremiah

Sorry but it would need someone from Faithlife to comment specifically on why this resource doesnt have page numbers.

It would be something to do with when / how it was digitised but I don’t know specifics,

Graham

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Jeremiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 18 2019 3:26 AM

Thanks for taking the time Graham, I always appreciate it!

I'd say "you're a rockstar" but that's actually offensive .  How about "you're a classical music star!" :p

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