The Letter to the Romans, Second Edition, D. Moo

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018 5:30 AM

I have the full NICOT/NT set and generally speaking, I try to keep up with the updated books that roll out from time to time; most recently Galatians and Romans, but amongst a few others as well.  

I do have to ask myself if Romans, at a pre-pub price of $64.99 is worth it.  After all, it is a "2nd Edition" and not a complete re-write.  

In these updated volumes, they make comments like, "In this thorough revision of his commentary, Moo deals with issues that have come into prominence since the first edition (1996), incorporating the latest research and rewriting the text throughout for better comprehension." 

I would really like to know what these issues are concerning.  The book of Romans was written 2,000 year ago and all of a sudden we get start getting amazingly smarter in a matter of a decade or two or three about the intent of the Author.  I noticed in the updated James or Philemon volume by McKnight a while back, I was essentially paying for Eerdmans to treat social justice warrior (SJW) mentalities.  That book was under $20, so it was a no brainer.  

Does anybody have a clue what is re-treated in Moo's Romans update?  

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Dave Moser | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 5:37 AM

I found this article helpful: https://spoiledmilks.com/2018/11/23/review-romans-becnt-schreiner-revised/amp/

The changes seem substantial.

If I were planning to preach/teach Romans in the near future I'd get it, but I'm personally not going to pull the trigger right now.

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 5:46 AM

Interesting to see how he could change over time in regard to nuance.  And we all do that, don't we? 

I'm still trying to swallow $65.  I think I'm going to return it.  It's Christmas and that's strong for right now in with less than a week to go until Christmas and property taxes due in two weeks.  ;)

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Daniel Bender | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 6:16 AM

Dave Moser:

I found this article helpful: https://spoiledmilks.com/2018/11/23/review-romans-becnt-schreiner-revised/amp/

The changes seem substantial.

If I were planning to preach/teach Romans in the near future I'd get it, but I'm personally not going to pull the trigger right now.

Maybe I missed something but I didn't see any references to Moo's commentary in the review of Schreiner's commentary on Romans. Perhaps it's just an improper link. I did find Muehlenberg's review on Amazon helpful, https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/0802871216/ref=acr_dpproductdetail_text?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1.

I was also disappointed by the pre-pub price on Logos especially when seeing that the print price at Amazon is $37. However, I still purchased the book as I prefer having them in my Logos library.

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Dave Moser | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 6:21 AM

Oops!

I saw a similar article on Moo's commentary, but can't find it now. If my memory serves me well, the updates to Moo's commentary are more substantial than Schreiner's.

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 6:23 AM

I just figured you were showing how people could revise their opinions over time and thusly want to update their previous work.  Nonetheless, it was a good article. 

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 6:28 AM

And herein being the introduction by the author to the 2nd edition:

"I am grateful for the opportunity to update this commentary on Romans. Gordon Fee, when he was editing this series, gave me permission to revise the work; and Joel Green, the current editor, has graciously followed suit—even though it means quite a lot of work for him.

"Readers will naturally be anxious to know what kind of changes have been made. I have tried (in vain, I am sure) to include and interact with the many studies of Romans and of Paul that have emerged since the mid-1990s. Those who are familiar with this field of study will know that this is not an inconsiderable amount of literature—indeed, I thought more than once that scholars simply need to stop writing about Paul for a decade or so (present company, of course, excepted!). In an attempt to at least partially offset these additions, I have also omitted some material, relating both to content and bibliography, that appeared in the first edition. My goal when I started was to offset each addition with a comparable subtraction so that the length of the volume would not increase. Alas, I failed, and this volume is a bit longer than the initial edition (though the greater length is also due to the inclusion of a full bibliography, which was not included in the original edition). I carefully worked through the entire text, rearranging material and (I hope!) improving the English style. While many new issues are discussed here, I have changed my mind on relatively few points of exegesis or theology (“old dogs” and all that).
I have many people to thank for their help with this new edition. A series of research assistants at Wheaton College has contributed in many ways: Jared Brown, Ben Dally, Johnathan Harris, Joshua Maurer. Matthew Monkemeier was especially helpful in suggesting edits at a number of places and in helping me think through my view on “the righteousness of God.” Students all over the world to whom I have taught Romans have shaped my understanding through their questions, interactions, and papers."


Moo, Douglas J. The Letter to the Romans. Ed. Ned B. Stonehouse et al. Second Edition. Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2018. Print. The New International Commentary on the New Testament.

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Daniel Bender | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 6:30 AM

Dave Moser:

Oops!

I saw a similar article on Moo's commentary, but can't find it now. If my memory serves me well, the updates to Moo's commentary are more substantial than Schreiner's.

Thanks Dave, I also read the article and found it helpful for the same reason that Wilson mentioned.

Thanks Wilson for bringing up the new Moo commentary; I had great struggles purchasing it and wasn't finding many opinions on the updated version.

Blessings, Dan

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 6:39 AM

Talking about "preferring to have it in my library," that seems to be a syndrome.  I have that syndrome, but I shouldn't have it.  It's also called "Book OCD." 

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 7:00 AM

Question:

If one buys the 2nd edition, does it overwrite the 1st edition or does the Logos library now contain both editions?

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 7:12 AM

No. You will have two volumes. 

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 10:08 AM

J. Remington Bowling:

Question:

If one buys the 2nd edition, does it overwrite the 1st edition or does the Logos library now contain both editions?

One thing I've done is to edit the title to help distinguish between the editions so when it shows up in the passage guide, I can see at a glance which edition I'm selecting. (My brain won't remember if "Epistle" or "Letters" was published first or by which author).

If you don't know how to do this, just open the book and click on the "i" circle.

Then click on the pencil and rename it.

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 12:26 PM

You know, I should do this with a lot of resources that come up identical in the passage guide.  Good tip.

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 12:56 PM

Now I have a serious issue.  I can't get his First Edition to even come up in the Passage Guide.  

Now, let me explain what I am doing.  

1.  Murray was the first Romans NICNT volume from 1968 and it's still a standard.  I called it the 1st Edition.  

2.  Moo's 2018 volume is the 2nd Edition (of his volumes) and also the Third Edition of the NICNT volumes.  

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xtrj4o8dl4ifndd/Moo.png?dl=0

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 1:16 PM

I don't quite understand the naming conventions you are using - and it is much easier to see if you post directly into the thread using the paperclip icon - but I get all of them to display

I suggest you check Prioritization settings as it is possible the commentary you are missing is lower down the display.

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 1:19 PM

Sorry about the image, I didn't know about the paperclip trick.  

It's not further down, that I could tell.  I clicked "More" about a dozen times and came up dry.  

The reason for the naming convention is Moo was not the first edition, Murray was the first edition.  It's a technical point, but who cares about that.  Where's the book LOL

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 1:22 PM

Wilson Hines:
The reason for the naming convention is Moo was not the first edition, Murray was the first edition.  It's a technical point, but who cares about that.

I'm trying to understand which volume you aren't seeing.

Are you getting the 1996 volume or the 2018 volume returned in the Passage Guide?

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 1:25 PM

I'm not seeing the 2018 volume.  In the passage guide it is nowhere to be found, but it is in the Library and I even checked off all the stars to give it some rank. 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 1:37 PM

Wilson Hines:
 In the passage guide it is nowhere to be found, but it is in the Library

Has the software finished indexing?

Wilson Hines:
I even checked off all the stars to give it some rank

This won't affect where it appears in the Passage Guide - that is achieved via prioritization

Try opening a Basic Search window with the 2018 volume also open.

Then click the "All Resources" dropdown and select the 2018 volume instead

Then run the search using the search string - "{Milestone <Rom 5:1>}"

Do you get a "hit" as shown below?

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 20 2018 1:41 PM

Absolutely!  

It did finish indexing.  I guess I may have to do a full re-index.

Wilson Hines

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