History of the antichrist

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 24 2019 7:50 PM

From Tom's list, I was looking at McGinn. He has quite a few, but one on 2,000 years of the antiChrist:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060655437/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p2_i11 

Not expensive, but the reviews get excited.


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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 24 2019 10:19 PM

I always recommend anything by McGinn ... a solid historian

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Tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 25 2019 6:47 AM

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Tom:
Back in the Libronix age, they were going to release Hanks life works, it was never released (at least) I never saw it for sale   They seem to have a problem working with the bible man :) Surprise

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Many of Hank's works are in ebooks now, but not this particular one.

I'll ask around to see if I can convince FL to add this to FLEB

It seems it is in FLEB!  Oops  https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/12405/the-apocalypse-code-find-out-what-the-bible-really-says-about-the-end-times-and-why-it-matters-today 

Just saw he has his trilogy on the past last times for about $5.  https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/144670/the-last-disciple-collection-the-last-disciple-the-last-sacrifice-the-last-temple   

Cheaper then a individual copy :) 

I enjoyed reading it in print a few years ago.   

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 25 2019 8:36 AM

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Tom Reynolds | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 25 2019 1:09 PM

Denise:

From Tom's list, I was looking at McGinn. He has quite a few, but one on 2,000 years of the antiChrist:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060655437/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p2_i11 

Not expensive, but the reviews get excited.

Just bought a used HC so we'll see how exciting it is in a couple of weeks.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 25 2019 3:42 PM

Milkman:

Long time ago I read some articles found in the net about the topic. You can probably find some with more recent info. A summary of what I remember:

1 Antichrist supposedly is (or will be) a Jew that is an apostate (maybe going to Islam).

2 Seems that will be of homosexual lifestyle (interpreting that he will be impervious to the love of women maybe).

3 Interesting that the Muslims are waiting for the Al Mahdi, who coincidentally will reign for 7 years (can you spell tribulation?).

4 will sit in the 3rd temple (Ezekiel's) and will proclaim himself to be God.

5 Jesus will come and kill him with the breath of His mouth.

6 nations will be deceived by such antichrist until he does 4, then they will realize he is out of whack. 

7 supposedly what holds him from doing what he will is the presence of the Holy Spirit, that once the warm believers (not lukewarm) are raptured, then he will step up flaming  to do his evil.

Not very historical, mostly oriented to the future. You can explore certain phrases like Al Mahdi, etc.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 25 2019 4:40 PM

Hamilton Ramos:
You can probably find some with more recent info. A summary of what I remember:

Which part of this do you not understand?

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
Please do not discuss or debate biblical, theological, or other controversial topics. Use one of the many web forums intended for these kinds of discussions.

I'd be glad to help you with whatever you don't understand. If you do understand, please also understand that in the forums, we are all equal and all obligated to stay within the rules.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2019 2:37 AM

Mike Pettit:

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If the post was an attempt at humor, I apologize. However, based upon the forum rules, I have reported your post as abuse. It has been a couple of years since that has been an appropriate/necessary action.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2019 2:48 AM

Denise:
that's how you trace it in the OT > NT > Reformation.

Are you sure you said precisely what you meant in the string above?

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2019 4:00 AM

MJ. Smith:

To research on why the reformers got the idea:

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2019 7:14 AM

MJ. Smith:

Denise:
that's how you trace it in the OT > NT > Reformation.

Are you sure you said precisely what you meant in the string above?

I'm sure, but I was generally defining it. Meaning, an against-God's-representative. Best I can see, it seems to show up about the same time as apocolyptic (and maybe shares the same thought process). My own opinion, Daniel/Ezekiel appear to be the first judaic to create a boogeyman vs a true righteous man (in this case Nebbie vs Daniel). And even Cyrus is oddly presented as YHWH's annointed (not even jewish). Prior OT is either not named (eg Pharoah), a satan type figure (Job, creation snake),  or against the people (Syria, Assyria, Babylon).

Thanks for the refs. I've always viewed an antiChrist pope as a religious canard, since the NT makes no apology for James in Jerusalem (central decider), and the subsequent protestant used the same structure, complete with sin-voting (vs dice with the apostles).

Added:

I forgot the OT to NT link, Ezekiel as the base for Revelations. 


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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2019 2:10 PM

Jan Krohn:
To research on why the reformers got the idea:

This is not the place to debate human behavior or the history of ideas. Be glad that I have the self-control to generally not tell forum members what I think of their theology. Given the number of people and traditions using Logos we probably have nearly every heresy, schism and false doctrine represented.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2019 2:12 PM

Denise:
I was generally defining it. Meaning, an against-God's-representative.

I understand and agree. I had read it too narrowly.

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2019 2:34 PM

Just ordered the AntiChrist book. By the way I did order his first two vols on The Foundations of Mysticism as you suggested awhile ago.

thanks again Denise. You're awesome! 

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Denise:

From Tom's list, I was looking at McGinn. He has quite a few, but one on 2,000 years of the antiChrist:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060655437/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p2_i11 

Not expensive, but the reviews get excited.

mm.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2019 4:22 PM

MJ.

Milkman wants information about the Antichrist. He wants recommendation of resources in historical view. At least that is what I understood.

Maybe he has not considered that there is information about that entity, in other resources he has. I mentioned some of the things I read, so he can use some of that to find information that may be useful.

I am not discussing with Milkman about the Antichrist, just providing leads to where he can direct some focus for research. 

I am not saying that it is the ultimate guide, just some pointers.

I myself do not think the Pope is the antichrist. I did not start a discussion about that because that was not what Milkman asked about. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2019 6:37 PM

Hamilton Ramos:
Milkman wants information about the Antichrist

From my perspective you presented seven theological points as if they were facts, gave no references for Milkman to follow up, and provide no tie into Logos.

Hamilton Ramos:
He wants recommendation of resources in historical view.

If you provided recommendation of resources, even with your theological points, you would be within the forum guidelines. Or, if you tied it into the actual use of Logos ...

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2019 8:11 PM

Hamilton Ramos:
I mentioned some of the things I read, so he can use some of that to find information that may be useful.

I don't know if you believe what you read or wrote, but I was really troubled by two things you had posted that I felt were prejudiced.

I appreciate that you're trying to help give Milkman some ideas of what he can research, but some of these viewpoints might come across as more hurtful than helpful.

Hamilton Ramos:
I did not start a discussion about ...

Just providing a controversial lead, even if people don't reply to it, can be problematic.

I think it's best for all of us to try to follow the forum rules, and post theological viewpoints at a different site such as ChristianDiscourse.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 27 2019 6:53 AM

MJ. Smith:
From my perspective you presented seven theological points as if they were facts, gave no references for Milkman to follow up, and provide no tie into Logos.

I use the qualifier supposedly, maybe, etc. to demonstrate those are hypothesis that need to be analyzed for possible validity.

MJ. Smith:
Or, if you tied it into the actual use of Logos ...

The assumption is that he will use Logos to get the details of key concepts and terms from a different perspective. I do not know what resources he has, so I cannot tell him what will the results of his search will be.

I could do a search in my Library, and post what I find, but in my view that will not only violate guidelines, but copyrights also.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 27 2019 6:59 AM

PetahChristian:
Just providing a controversial lead, even if people don't reply to it, can be problematic.

Which makes a good point, who determines what is a controversial lead?

I am not arguing with Milkman about anything, I am just telling him that there are certain thrusts that historically have been associated with the Antichrist and that come straight from the Bible.

I assume that Milkman wants to get to the root of the perceived problem some believers have with the antichrist, if is a future event. 

Does not Milkman have a right to investigate for himself to try to elucidate truth from the Bible to see if things are so?

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 27 2019 8:41 AM

The forum guidelines say, "Please do not discuss or debate biblical, theological, or other controversial topics."

Hamilton Ramos:
who determines what is a controversial lead?

Hamilton Ramos:
there are certain thrusts ... that come straight from the Bible

Hamilton Ramos:
Does not Milkman have a right to investigate for himself to try to elucidate truth from the Bible to see if things are so?

Those types of discussions are better suited for a different web forum.

We should cooperate with the guidelines, and limit our discussion to Logos Bible Software.

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