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I got this link for a new base package of Logos 7. It looks interesting but I could not find a way to see all the resources listed in the package. Anyway, I thought other here might be interested in it as well.
Steven
should I be bothered that I don't see the "Nephilim-Sized Savings" as the original poster has put?
Ignore the sticker shock for a moment, and hover over the (?) next to the sale price. That savings is 51% off your dynamic price. When that promotion ends, the special edition will regularly be twice as expensive.
Packages may be 25% off at launch, but we rarely see one at 51% off.
Logos is double dipping towards Connect subscribers. If you're not careful with your finances, i guess, go for it. Especially if you're a blind fanatic.
For some of us, the Special Edition cost us much less than the feature set would cost (and it also came with some courses and books).
I happened to pay about $35 for features that would have cost $140.
I'm not a financial advisor, but I'd say that's a small price to pay for my features to be up-to-date when my subscription ends.
Faithlife has decided to make you purchase the datasets in this product, even though you already subscribe to them. It is why I did not buy it. Interesting perspective. I signed for the resource; the other stuff (datasets, media) came along for the ride. Actually, I'm fearful Logos may introduce a future killer feature (ok, unfounded fear). And to get it, they'd want me to pay for all the previous junk. So, this is like immunization.
Faithlife has decided to make you purchase the datasets in this product, even though you already subscribe to them. It is why I did not buy it.
Interesting perspective. I signed for the resource; the other stuff (datasets, media) came along for the ride.
Actually, I'm fearful Logos may introduce a future killer feature (ok, unfounded fear). And to get it, they'd want me to pay for all the previous junk. So, this is like immunization.
For me, in this package, I owned all the high ticket books already, so the datasets drove the cost. Thus, I did not buy and was explaining to him why, unlike a regular base package, Connect did not help him. Personally, I have observed that each version of Logos seems to treat the newer datasets as more expensive. So buying now will lower my dynamic price if/when I stop subscribing, but by less than I paid. So it does not make sense to me.
Not that simple. Logos is double dipping towards Connect subscribers. If you're not careful with your finances, i guess, go for it. Especially if you're a blind fanatic. No financial advisor would recommend paying double. Especially if you're planning to resubscribe Connect in May (day 1 members) I know Logos made it even hard to make a decision for people by giving the $10 off to buy the Mike Heiser's bundle.... BUT .... that is part of their plan to gain your money! As if you'll lose something if you don't buy it. Remember, "money not spent is money earned" Resist the temptation... Just my thoughts.
Not that simple.
No financial advisor would recommend paying double. Especially if you're planning to resubscribe Connect in May (day 1 members)
I know Logos made it even hard to make a decision for people by giving the $10 off to buy the Mike Heiser's bundle.... BUT .... that is part of their plan to gain your money! As if you'll lose something if you don't buy it. Remember, "money not spent is money earned"
Resist the temptation... Just my thoughts.
It kind of us that simple because if you choose to buy the features and subscribe to Connect then that's your choice. Logos isn't double dipping, you are. Logos didn't make you subscribe or buy the features. Logos also isn't hiding anything, so if you didn't know you were purchasing some features you already are renting that's not poor on Logos' part... That's poor on your part.
Frankly I don't really care about Connect and haven't been subscribed for a long time. I'd rather just pay for the features once, at a good price, and I'll upgrade in two or three years when they have their next release.
Not being funny but it seems like an absurd claim from a biblical scholar that they think they can read the Bible 'unfiltered'. Does he really think he is immune to denominational, cultural, privilege and social biases?
Having read (and listened to) Heiser, I don't think he thinks this. I think he's guilty of some over-marketing about how revolutionary his ideas are... similar to, say, N.T. Wright in some of his books.
Reading ancient culture x and mapping it onto Scripture for "new" and "revolutionary" insights is all the rage these days (Walton, Wright, Heiser, etc.)
Hi John:
Does he really think he is immune to denominational, cultural, privilege and social biases?
A little off topic: nice list you posted, by any chance, can you recommend a resource that explores such biases (best if in L8)?
Thanks ahead of time for your input on this.
This was a great deal for me. $194 was only a little more than my price to upgrade to full feature. I got most of the features I wanted plus a bunch of other resources.
I am very happy, unlike some of the others on here. Well I guess you'll never please all the people, but for me, many thanks Logos!
Well I guess you'll never please all the people, but for me, many thanks Logos!
Same here, thank you FL for this generous offer.
I am also very happy. Thanks!
Hi John: Does he really think he is immune to denominational, cultural, privilege and social biases? A little off topic: nice list you posted, by any chance, can you recommend a resource that explores such biases (best if in L8)? Thanks ahead of time for your input on this.
Not that you asked me, but N.T. Wright discusses this (and his solution: critical realism) in The New Testament and the People of God. That's from a theological perspective. Of course, it's pretty standard knowledge across all disciplines nowadays. For instance, if you'd like to see some discussion of it in the political sphere cf. Jonathan Haidt The Righteous Mind and Thomas Sowell's A Conflict of Visions. Cornelius Van Til made the "no brute fact" a basic feature of his entire apologetic method. But no other camp of apologetics would deny the force of presuppositions today. In philosophy, and with other solutions, cf. maybe Thomas Reid's common sense philosophy and Michael Polanyi. Of course the entire history of philosophy (epistemology) could be inserted here... but this is where I'd dip my toes in if I were curious.
Oops, almost forgot the field of science. Cf. Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.
I'd argue the exact opposite. In religions, and watching actual behavior, parents, friends, etc are the criticality. And so also, what Jesus taught. Community. The religious text is primarily a stablizer like on an airplane ... keeps people from constantly arguing. So, social bias is important. And Metzger admits as much, when trying to decipher the greek ... he said he chose his beliefs.
That's why selecting relative to ones opinions is the norm, and quite valid.
In relation to the value of the Mike Heiser Special Edition—this was the first engine I have purchased since Libronix. Yes, I have added books, but I waited for the no-cost version of the L5 through L7 engine when I could not longer activate books on Libby. This package pushed the correct buttons on my books wanted list (a bunch of original language tools) and the data sets of interest, as well as courses of interest. Someone at Faithlife apparently was reading my mind and finally came up with a package that appealed to me.
I would imagine it is difficult for Faithlife to provide packages attractive to customers of my inclination and philosophy, as so aptly expressed by once Presidential Candidate Pat Paulson: "Picky, Picky, Picky."
Shalom,
Joseph
In relation to the value of the Mike Heiser Special Edition—this was the first engine I have purchased since Libronix. Yes, I have added books, but I waited for the no-cost version of the L5 through L7 engine when I could not longer activate books on Libby. This package pushed the correct buttons on my books wanted list (a bunch of original language tools) and the data sets of interest, as well as courses of interest. Someone at Faithlife apparently was reading my mind and finally came up with a package that appealed to me. I would imagine it is difficult for Faithlife to provide packages attractive to customers of my inclination and philosophy, as so aptly expressed by once Presidential Candidate Pat Paulson: "Picky, Picky, Picky." Shalom, Joseph
I agree completely. Also my 1st since Libronix.
It's clearly a Libby 5-Star package!
J. Remington:
Thanks for the mentioned resources, the topic seems very interesting, I will research further.
Hi Denise:
Hoping I am not misunderstanding:
In religions, and watching actual behavior, parents, friends, etc are the criticality
Significant other modeling is important, until you get to a place where your views are challenged, and then you have to research and adjust your frame of reference.
It does not happen to all, as some do not go to a place (e.g. college far from home) where you meet way different worldviews for comparison (think culture shock).
also, what Jesus taught. Community. The religious text is primarily a stablizer like on an airplane ... keeps people from constantly arguing.
Wonder about this: Jesus had to explain the disciples much "beginning from Moses...".
Some believers think there have been different "angel of the church" servants through time, that bring certain light for persons of that time to be illuminated, all from the Holy Spirit. Some are: Ireneaus, Luther, Wesley, etc. And is as if they are able to open a particular understanding of Jesus' teachings, to find a particular application for that era, but still edifies and enriches Christianity as a whole.
I guess this is what many refer to as tradition, helping making sense of Scripture for the contextual situation.
In such sense, social bias is important as you mention, but that should not allow irrational, or doctrines not in consonance with the nature and character of God to be accepted nor eiseiezed into the text.
Chosing beliefs under the Holy Spirit is a God given right. Trying to impose any set of doctrines (deemed orthodox by some) is not the original intent in the Bible.
All this can become complex: were the Bereans predetermined (seems so) to be nobler, and to diligently search the Scriptures to see if things were so, or did factors help them be that way (leaders, geographical and socioeconomic situation, etc.)?
Just for reflection, not to start polemics.
Thanks for your input.
So is this L8 or L7?
Definitely L8. It includes workflows and some other new features.
I thought so! Okay, I have a friend who's going to make this her first Logos purchase as opposed to the Basic.
Thanks!
I assume that a user purchasing this would gain the L8 engine... but if not, it should be available soon for everyone.
Do I understand correctly that this offer includes 5 Mobile Ed courses:
BI 101 Introducing Biblical Interpretation
BI 161 Problems in Bible Interpretation: Difficult Passages I
BI 162 Problems in Bible Interpretation: Difficult Passages II
NT 281 How We Got the New Testament
OT 281 How We Got the Old Testament
All these courses?
If I recall correctly, NT 281 and OT 281 were part of a flash sale around Christmas time.
Yes, the complete courses (video, transcripts, activities, audio).
Wow. Hard to pass up. It would also add to my library Charlesworth's OT Pseudepigrapha, which I've wanted for long time.
Good deal! Make sure to purchase by February 7th, before its introductory pricing disappears!
Can anyone help me out? I am interested in this offer, but as I was trying to figure out if I want to buy or not, I read a text sample from: The Bible Unfiltered: Approaching Scripture on Its Own Terms, and it seems like Mike was telling that the New Testaments writers were in some cases interpreting the OT wrong. It was about Acts 15 and Amos 9.
I hope I'm wrong, but I couldn't read more in that sample.
it seems like Mike was telling that the New Testaments writers were in some cases interpreting the OT wrong. It was about Acts 15 and Amos 9. I hope I'm wrong, but I couldn't read more in that sample.
it seems like Mike was telling that the New Testaments writers were in some cases interpreting the OT wrong. It was about Acts 15 and Amos 9.
In the text sample you read dr. Heiser is discussing the question if you should always interpret biblical prophecy literally. I'll quote the concluding paragraphs:
"Did James and Luke misread the Bible, then? Not necessarily. The “remnant of Edom” could be considered an abstract reference to “non-elect” people: Remember that the Edomites were descendants of Esau (Gen 36:1), who surrendered his birthright (Gen 25). Therefore, the non-literal translation of “mankind” in the Septuagint version of Amos 9:11 is within the realm of accurate meaning.
Comparing these passages illustrates important lessons: Interpreting biblical prophecy cannot be distilled to a simple maxim, and everything cannot be taken literally. The New Testament shows us otherwise."
Michael S. Heiser, The Bible Unfiltered: Approaching Scripture on Its Own Terms (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2017), 46.
From Heiser: 'Comparing these passages illustrates important lessons: Interpreting biblical prophecy cannot be distilled to a simple maxim, and everything cannot be taken literally. The New Testament shows us otherwise."
He's kind of funny like the New Jerome authors. They follow the text excellently, until the last moment. Then hop back into their religious tradition (Heiser, evangelical, Jerome's, Catholic) at the last moment. Jesus appears to have had fun with this approach in his debates with the Pharisees, who were heavy on 'interpreting'.
EDIT:
Coincidentally, reading during lunch (McNamara; Targums /NT):
"In the second century ce a dictum ascribed to Rabbi Judah ben Ilai gives as a principle for rendering the Hebrew text: “He who translates a verse quite literally is a liar, while he who adds anything thereto is a blasphemer” (t. Megillah 4:41; b. Qidd. 49a"
Doesn't leave a lot of wiggle-room.
Are you sure about that? I know the Feb 7 deadline applies to the Logos 8 base packages, but I'm not so sure whether this "Special Edition" is considered a base package (although I could be wrong of course)
The Feb. 7 deadline is mentioned prominently on the product page and announcements.
Are you sure about that?
I know the Feb 7 deadline applies to the Logos 8 base packages, but I'm not so sure whether this "Special Edition" is considered a base package (although I could be wrong of course)
It includes features and tools. Does that make it a base package? I suppose that criteria is up to FL.
(It doesn't happen to show up on the store if you filter results by "Base package," but that could be an oversight.)
Nor does it include a discount for Faithlife Connect subscribers which would seem to indicate it isn't a base package.
That being said, the image you posted (which I have never seen before) does clearly state an "end of savings" date of February 7 so I think that does make your case!
I must admit I am on the fence about this special edition and will have to decide whether to go for this product, or for a base package upgrade instead
It does not show up as a Base Package in the About Logos Software panel (I am still on Basic by this report). Under Features it does report "Many Logos 8 Features" and under software it reports version 8.2.
—Joseph
it seems like Mike was telling that the New Testaments writers were in some cases interpreting the OT wrong. It was about Acts 15 and Amos 9. I hope I'm wrong, but I couldn't read more in that sample. In the text sample you read dr. Heiser is discussing the question if you should always interpret biblical prophecy literally. I'll quote the concluding paragraphs: "Did James and Luke misread the Bible, then? Not necessarily. The “remnant of Edom” could be considered an abstract reference to “non-elect” people: Remember that the Edomites were descendants of Esau (Gen 36:1), who surrendered his birthright (Gen 25). Therefore, the non-literal translation of “mankind” in the Septuagint version of Amos 9:11 is within the realm of accurate meaning. Comparing these passages illustrates important lessons: Interpreting biblical prophecy cannot be distilled to a simple maxim, and everything cannot be taken literally. The New Testament shows us otherwise." Michael S. Heiser, The Bible Unfiltered: Approaching Scripture on Its Own Terms (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2017), 46.
Thank you, I'm glad to see that.
Good observation!
Nor does it include a discount for Faithlife Connect subscribers which would seem to indicate it isn't a base package. Good observation!
I saw it more like a library expansion for Mike’s stuff instead of Jewish, Backgrounds, Apologetics, etc.
DAL
Interesting perspective, yet library expansions never came with features and tools.
Speaking of which, hoping we'll hear something soon about the L8 library expansions. I'm curious to see what's changed in the Jewish library expansion.
hoping we'll hear something soon about the L8 library expansions.
Yes it will be interesting to see what these might be.
I just hope one if the expansions has BECNT. I missed the sale last fall and really want that! Maybe another sale? Hint, hint.
I saw it more like a library expansion for Mike’s stuff instead of Jewish, Backgrounds, Apologetics, etc. Interesting perspective, yet library expansions never came with features and tools. Speaking of which, hoping we'll hear something soon about the L8 library expansions. I'm curious to see what's changed in the Jewish library expansion.
I hope they finally do a “Restoration Movement” Library Expansion. I think there’s plenty of material to build one and not every resource has to be from that perspective as other resources with different perspectives can be included. Most library expansions include stuff that’s not necessarily what they claim to be anyway.
But be aware that if you buy it, as I did earlier today, the price of any Logos 8 upgrade you may have been thinking of buying goes through the roof!
I was expecting the price of some of the base packages to go down, given that some of the resources are also in the Heiser package, not increase dramatically.
If I'd known this was going to happen I am not so sure I would have bought it.......
I can't think of any legitimate reason for that to have happened...
I was expecting the price of some of the base packages to go down, given that some of the resources are also in the Heiser package, not increase dramatically. I can't think of any legitimate reason for that to have happened...
All I can think is that Logos in their infinite wisdom consider my purchase of the Heiser Special Edition my "first complete upgrade" and have therefore removed the 25% discount from the base package upgrade prices. So I may have to return it before I've even downloaded it, which would be a first, to get my discount back on a package upgrade!
I hope they finally do a “Restoration Movement” Library Expansion.
I'd be down with that.
I hope they finally do a “Restoration Movement” Library Expansion. I'd be down with that.
All I can think is that Logos in their infinite wisdom consider my purchase of the Heiser Special Edition my "first complete upgrade" and have therefore removed the 25% discount from the base package upgrade prices.
Which is in fact precisely what happened. Pleased to report that following a call with a very helpful chap in sales I managed to resolve the issue.
