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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 1 2019 6:26 AM

As someone who has three printed volumes of the NCP Augustine series within arms reach right now, I am both excited that they are finally coming to Logos as well as put off by how expensive they are.

That said, I have more than a bit of hope that some volumes from the NCP set will eventually make it into base packages, topical collections, etc. This Lutheran bought Logos Orthodox Silver because of all the relatively recent scholarly translations of fathers in it....

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 1 2019 7:07 PM

J. Remington Bowling:
Suppose there are only 100 memes. 12 of those are 'positive'

I reject your premise.

J. Remington Bowling:
if you're correct that memes can mean whatever the user wants

If by 'user' you mean 'author,' and unless you are a postmodernist, then that's how it works.

Big Smile

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 1 2019 7:08 PM

J. Remington Bowling:
https://www.logos.com/product/171308/the-works-of-saint-augustine-a-translation-for-the-21st-century

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2019 4:17 PM

DBR:
DAL Knowing where yours is from, I can see why some people don't like it.

Everybody seems to claim they know what it means and where it comes from, but when it comes time to actually give proof they’re never able to produce not even one shred of it.  I love this smiley, it’s a cool 😎 one and it’s ssssmoking! 😂

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2019 4:17 PM

DBR:
DAL Knowing where yours is from, I can see why some people don't like it.

Everybody seems to claim they know what it means and where it comes from, but when it comes time to actually give proof they’re never able to produce not even one shred of it.  I love this smiley, it’s a cool 😎 one and it’s ssssmoking! 😂

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2019 6:35 PM

DAL:
when it comes time to actually give proof they’re never able to produce not even one shred of it

I don't believe that meme was created to be wholesome or edifying. May God help us to be more gracious and considerate and loving of one another.

"And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise."

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2019 10:08 PM

DAL:
Everybody seems to claim they know what it means and where it comes from, but when it comes time to actually give proof they’re never able to produce not even one shred of it.

Hmmm ... took all of two clicks to find https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/trollface  - one right click to select Search Google for image, one left click to select Know Your Memes.

Next question?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2019 10:27 PM

DAL:
I think memes are intended to be used however one see fits

As memes are simply a visual language, I assume you use this principle in Bible interpretation? Big Smile Wink
Okay, I'm sure you'd say of course not to the second part of the sentence above ... so shouldn't you say the same for the first clause? GeekedZip it!

P.S. Note that the emoticons have a limited range of meanings that I can't violate.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 6 2019 12:25 AM

Disclaimer - I know nothing about memes and the first I have heard of them is this thread and now I have seen another in another thread.

The question I have is...

Does the person three posts up, or the guy who was posted as (I think) 'irrelevant' get any say in whether they are used as a meme or not?

If so how is their permission obtained?

If not do we show kindness by mocking them?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 6 2019 1:02 AM

Mike Binks:
Does the person three posts up, or the guy who was posted as (I think) 'irrelevant' get any say in whether they are used as a meme or not?

They can claim copyright infringement - something that happens if it is a game character morphing into a meme. But enforcement is difficult. It's more that unless one knows that it was created without copyright or specifically for use as a meme, one should assume copyright and avoid violating that.

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 6 2019 4:28 AM

I doubt any permission was obtained from the people who ended up as memes, though I'm not sure what the legal explanation might be of that. Some people were clearly unhappy about it. Star wars kid, as I  recall. 

PS. I  was teasing MJ about the 'irrelevant' thing in the other thread, but to continue to use it outside of her context, which had a point, comes across as rude. If you want to refer to me then do so openly and not in a backhanded way. Thanks.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 6 2019 6:25 AM

MJ. Smith:

DAL:
I think memes are intended to be used however one see fits

As memes are simply a visual language, I assume you use this principle in Bible interpretation? Big Smile Wink

Yes, but only when studying the parables and the book of Revelation 😂😜😁😇

DAL

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 6 2019 6:32 AM

MJ. Smith:

DAL:
Everybody seems to claim they know what it means and where it comes from, but when it comes time to actually give proof they’re never able to produce not even one shred of it.

Hmmm ... took all of two clicks to find https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/trollface  - one right click to select Search Google for image, one left click to select Know Your Memes.

Next question?

Hahaha So I’ve been trolling you guys all along! 😂 Isn’t it the same as saying: “I’m just messing you!” Which is what we really do anyway 😂 so yeah, I thought it would be a horrific meaning, like some tried to make it sound. I’m glad it‘s not!

So yep, we’re cool now 👍😁👌

DAL

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 6 2019 7:02 AM

DAL:

Hahaha So I’ve been trolling you guys all along! 😂 Isn’t it the same as saying: “I’m just messing you!” Which is what we really do anyway 😂 so yeah, I thought it would be a horrific meaning, like some tried to make it sound. I’m glad it‘s not!

So yep, we’re cool now 👍😁👌

Yep, thanks for the non-apology! SurpriseStick out tongueWink

In all seriousness, all manner of things supposedly get excused by comments that a person was just joking, boys will be boys, etc.

We should take responsibility for what we say and do, because it's not necessarily harmless to have a laugh at someone else's expense, etc.

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 6 2019 7:20 AM

PetahChristian:

In all seriousness, all manner of things supposedly get excused by comments that a person was just joking, boys will be boys, etc.

We should take responsibility for what we say and do, because it's not necessarily harmless to have a laugh at someone else's expense, etc.

Well said, PC. The just joking thing people do is ham-handed bullying.

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 6 2019 8:16 AM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X5YDVCAEMXE&feature=youtu.be

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 6 2019 11:23 AM

scooter:

PetahChristian:

In all seriousness, all manner of things supposedly get excused by comments that a person was just joking, boys will be boys, etc.

We should take responsibility for what we say and do, because it's not necessarily harmless to have a laugh at someone else's expense, etc.

Well said, PC. The just joking thing people do is ham-handed bullying.

Sometimes I joke and some times I’m serious (with a dash of sense of humor) especially when none sense behavior is being displayed like the cry babies who want CARTA products in Logos, but can’t seem to get it through their heads that for years it hasn’t been possible and them crying and whining about it won’t get them what they want.  Or another example of people constantly asking for “price matching” when it has been officially stated by FL that it’s not something they do. 

People seem to take for granted the generosity of FL/Logos and I love to put them in their place when I see fit and use my favorite smiley face to get to them.  They don’t realize how blessed they are with FL!  

To illustrate: Go and try to ask Accordance for a refund and see what they will tell you...that’s right, you won’t be getting a refund or no 30 day money back guaranteed! Once you buy something from them  there is no returning it with the only exception being their starter package.

 I know a guy who bought on impulse the NICOT/NT  from accordance last year around March and then he realize that last year‘s March madness from Logos was better because it had more volumes. Guess what he did, he desperately went to the Facebook Resale page and luckily managed to sell his Accordance set to buy the Logos set.

So yeah, the grass is not greener on the other side and people should stop whining especially when they’re so blest with FL and their premium product Logos.

So yeah, no apology needed 😜 

My advice if you want something from Accordance then you better be sure that what you buy is really what you want, because there is no “test drive” products and then return them. The day FL starts doing that, I’m sure they won’t be selling as much.

Anywho I love the forums! I really do 👍😁👌

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 8 2019 2:12 AM

DAL:
Anywho I love the forums! I really do 👍😁👌

You show your love by alienating members by calling them names - "cry babies"? Very odd way of showing "love". But, yes, I know that "outsiders" sometimes accuse PNW natives of being overly polite - but we rated only 14th, honest https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/50-us-states-ranked-in-ascending-order-of-politeness-according-to-canadian-research.html Sad . But we are least likely to curse https://www.businessinsider.com/most-polite-and-vulgar-states-2013-5 Big Smile

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 8 2019 3:55 AM

MJ. Smith:

DAL:
Anywho I love the forums! I really do 👍😁👌

You show your love by alienating members by calling them names - "cry babies"? Very odd way of showing "love". But, yes, I know that "outsiders" sometimes accuse PNW natives of being overly polite - but we rated only 14th, honest https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/50-us-states-ranked-in-ascending-order-of-politeness-according-to-canadian-research.html Sad . But we are least likely to curse https://www.businessinsider.com/most-polite-and-vulgar-states-2013-5 Big Smile

Hey at least they are not “irrelevant” in my book, they all count (just kidding with the “irrelevant” reference) 😂😜 Much love and respect to you and for you MJ! 👍😁👌

DAL

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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 20 2019 11:40 AM

J. Remington Bowling:

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