An example of Quranic ontology and treebank

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Feb 7 2019 9:22 PM

I just thought some people, okay maybe I could name them on one hand, some people might be interested in how ontologies and treebanks are being used on another religious text. The Quranic Arabic Corpus

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 8 2019 6:51 AM

Great tree. Now I'd be interested in a tree for the DSS.

i suppose I could do one, but why invent the wheel when somebody else did the "hard" work.

mm. 

mm.

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Steve Maling | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 8 2019 1:48 PM

Thank you very much, M.J. I'm out of my depth, but as a non-techie and (almost) lifelong student of Hebrew, and therefor a debtor to Andersen-Forbes, this is truly fascinating.

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 8 2019 9:28 PM

I am only in Hebrew I and Greek II, but I have been very intriqued by the Tree modules (seems like I have a cantilation tree or something).  They are difficult to figure out own my own, and I cannot seem to grasp how to copy/paste them (the Trees) into, say, Word or Key Note (?).  I use a MacBook Air & iPad.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 8 2019 10:54 PM

Not on Mac so I can't debug the copy issues. To figure the trees out

An introduction to the dependency trees https://nlp.stanford.edu/software/nndep.html 

More than you wanted to know but very good https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/1598295969/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 8 2019 11:07 PM

MJ. Smith:

Not on Mac so I can't debug the copy issues. To figure the trees out

An introduction to the dependency trees https://nlp.stanford.edu/software/nndep.html 

More than you wanted to know but very good https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/1598295969/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 

Excellent!  Thank you much 👍.

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 9 2019 2:47 AM

Wow! Thanks a milliion, MJ! I wish we had better Quran analysis capabilities within Logos, but now I can at least have a shortcut to something helpful.

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 9 2019 2:51 AM

MJ. Smith:

Not on Mac so I can't debug the copy issues. To figure the trees out

An introduction to the dependency trees https://nlp.stanford.edu/software/nndep.html 

More than you wanted to know but very good https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/1598295969/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 

Wowsie!  That first link from Stanford is a heavy read.  Slowly trying to work through it.  I am wondering if I download their parsing software if it would be applicable to biblical texts (?).  I already have a couple of OT trees so not even sure if the Stanford model would help any.  Plan to read this again slowly 🤓.

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 9 2019 3:05 AM

I wonder how much development effort it would take to integrate via the provided API?:http://corpus.quran.com/java/overview.jsp 

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 9 2019 6:04 AM

Reuben Helmuth:
I wish we had better Quran analysis capabilities within Logos, but now I can at least have a shortcut to something helpful.

Yes

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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 9 2019 2:11 PM

I have an immediate use for that.  Thanks.  

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 9 2019 3:22 PM

Puddin’:
Wowsie!  That first link from Stanford is a heavy read.

My apologies - since retirement I've been taking modeling and natural language processing classes through Coursera ... leaves me a bit light on references that are truly introductory. Sad

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 9 2019 4:36 PM

MJ. Smith:

Puddin’:
Wowsie!  That first link from Stanford is a heavy read.

My apologies - since retirement I've been taking modeling and natural language processing classes through Coursera ... leaves me a bit light on references that are truly introductory. Sad

No, no, I meant to communicate that it is very challenging reading (which I absolutely love!).  Wish I had a better grasp on trees and diagramming.  I have the entire Greek NT diagrammed, but don’t fully comprehend the system yet.

I declare that I must be addicted to biblical language study.  It ALWAYS catches my attention.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 9 2019 4:46 PM

Puddin’:
 Wish I had a better grasp on trees and diagramming.


Have you worked through https://allthingslinguistic.com/post/100357884082/how-to-draw-syntax-trees-part-1-so-you-asked 

My favorite diagram is one where:

  • the original language tree is presented as a horizontal tree branching to the right
  • the target language tree is presented as a horizontal tree branching left
  • they are positioned with the lowest level facing each other with lines between the tree connecting the "interlinear" words between the two languages

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 9 2019 7:41 PM

Awesome MJ.!  Love that site.  Adding it to my usual go-to sites.  Just came across Bible Mesh site the other day at the suggestion of Dr. Naselli (currently taking his NT Exegesis mobileEd course).  (They are a bit too theological & pricey for my taste though, but still an excellent site.)

I suspect that trees and diagrams are above my pay grade right now as a mere Greek II and Hebrew I student.  So far, I seem to be catching onto Hebrew better than I did Greek I.

I completely agree w. your assessment of preferred diagrams.  Easy to follow, esp. w. an interlinear.  I was attempting to follow along w. recent posts in BibleArc last night, but, again, it’s soooo frustrating not being able to trek along w. their arcs.

I would love to be able to comprehend the tree-jargon (I don’t even understand the abbreviations ☺️) and diagram concepts.  That would be great for public polemics (debates) and for Bible classes here at the church I pastor (yes, we regularly post interlinears & NA28 on the screen...although I am really liking UBS-5 now).  Would even pay a tutor to help me get started (I already keep one Greek prof. on a small monthly pay for when I get stuck).

For now, I will keep plugging through my courses on Hebrew & Greek.

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