Cloud Resources Initial Install Options

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Feb 11 2019 4:08 AM

The current 3 level options are a definite improvement. However, "Minimal" isn't nearly minimal enough. Please provide either a "Bare Bones" or "No Resources" install (or both). My preference would be to have a "No Resources" install specifically for those who plan to scan resources or know exactly what they need/want (this option shouldn't include anything in the resources folder).

A "Bare Bones" install would be an alternative and could perhaps have 1 Bible and 1 Commentary (e.g. ESV, BKC).

From the "minimal" install option I waited a LONG time for the app to even open (due to excruciatingly slow internet). Once it opened I quickly opened the library and started scrolling through and canceling downloads (4.3 GBs were downloading which will take a few days!). Here is the list of downloads that I canceled from the "minimal" install (I left a few and I'm sure I missed some):

  • The Apostolic Fathers in English
  • The Apostolic Fathers Greek-English Interlinear
  • Bible Illustrations
  • Book of Common Prayer (1928) Daily Office Lectionary
  • Book of Common Prayer (1928) Sunday Lectionary
  • Book of Common Prayer (1979) Daily Office Lectionary
  • Book of Common Prayer (1979) Sunday Lectionary
  • Byzantine Lectionary (Gregorian)
  • Byzantine Lectionary (Julian)
  • Byzantine Lectionary (Revised Julian)
  • Cascadia Syntax Graphs of the New Testament: Glossary
  • Cascadia Syntax Graphs of the Septuagint Deuterocanon and Apocrypha
  • Christian Worship One Year Lectionary
  • Christian Worship Three Year Lectionary (with Supplemental Lectionary)
  • Episcopal Church (USA) Revised Common Lectionary
  • Eusebian Canons
  • Glossary of Morpho-Syntactic Database Terminology
  • A Harmony of Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles: The Books of the Kings of Judah and Israel
  • A Harmony of the Gospels
  • A Harmony of the Synoptic Gospels for Historical and Critical Study
  • The Hebrew Bible: Andersen-Forbes Analyzed Text
  • The Hebrew Bible: Andersen-Forbes Phrase Marker Analysis
  • Holman Illustrated Bible Dictionary
  • Images from A Biblical and Theological Dictionary: Illustrative of the Old and New Testaments
  • Images from A Standard Bible Dictionary
  • Images from Helps to the Study of the Bible
  • Images from Illustrations of the Bible from the Monuments of Egypt
  • Images from The Temple Dictionary of the Bible
  • The Interlinear Literal Translation of the Greek New Testament
  • Irenaeus: A Guide to His Life and Writings
  • Jonathan Edwards: A Guide to His Life and Writings
  • Jude-2 Peter Parallels
  • King James Version
  • The Lexham Clausal Outlines of the Greek New Testament: SBL Edition
  • The Lexham Cultural Ontology Glossary
  • The Lexham Dead Sea Scrolls Hebrew-English Interlinear Bible
  • The Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Glossary
  • The Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Introduction
  • The Lexham Discourse Hebrew Bible: Glossary
  • The Lexham Discourse Hebrew Bible: Introduction
  • Lexham Figurative Language of the Bible Glossary
  • The Lexham Glossary of Literary Types
  • The Lexham Glossary of Semantic Roles
  • The Lexham Greek-English Interlinear Septuagint: H.B. Swete Edition
  • The Lexham Greek-English Interlinear Septuagint: H.B. Swete Edition (Alternate Texts) 
  • The Lexham Latin-English Interlinear Vulgate
  • The Lexham Propositional Outlines Glossary
  • Lexham Survey of Theology
  • Lexham Survey of Theology (Videos)
  • The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament Glossary
  • The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament, SBL Edition: Expansions and Annotations
  • The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament, SBL Edition: Sentence Analysis
  • The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament: SBL Edition
  • Logos Bible Images
  • Logos Bible Photos
  • Logos Bible Software Infographics
  • Lutheran Service Book Historic (One Year) Lectionary
  • Lutheran Service Book Three Year Lectionary
  • The New Bible Commentary
  • Old Testament Quotations and Allusions in the New Testament
  • Old Testament Quotes in the New Testament
  • Parallel Passages in the Pastoral Epistles
  • Parallel Passages in the Pauline Letters
  • The Pilgrim’s Progress
  • Psalms Explorer
  • Records of the Life of Jesus
  • Revised Common Lectionary
  • Revised Common Lectionary Daily Readings
  • Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas with Biblical Background and Culture
  • The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge

Edit: I happened to notice that the Help File was not being downloaded with the minimal install which surprised me in light of the list above. I think it probably should be the first resource included...

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Levi Durfey | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 12 2019 11:51 AM

Good idea...

...also good point about the need for the Help File to be downloaded no matter what option is chosen.

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Andrew Batishko (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 12 2019 12:41 PM

One of the primary reasons why the Minimal download is so large is that we always download all datasets. This is because there isn't currently a mechanism to give the user control over hiding and downloading dataset resources. Implementing this is unfortunately beyond the scope of the current work, but is something we want to implement in the future.

Thanks for pointing out the missing help file. We've got a case now to make sure that gets added.

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 16 2019 11:46 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
One of the primary reasons why the Minimal download is so large is that we always download all datasets.

That's a problem. 

After repeatedly purchasing more data, and restarting the download I've finally finished with the "minimal" download. The 6.39 GB of disk space used by the 154 datasets alone is cause enough for concern, but the download experience is horrendous in most places that Bible translators are working. Selective Download has the greatest potential benefit (IMO) in the translation community, but disk space is only ~30% of the issue. Data usage is a bigger concern and the needed workarounds currently make installing Logos a distasteful process and negatively affects the impression of the software.

Please provide an install option that is intended to be used with a scan command (perhaps with an optional link to download any 'mandatory' resources to a user's downloads folder for further distribution).

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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 4:04 PM

Reuben Helmuth:
Please provide an install option that is intended to be used with a scan command (perhaps with an optional link to download any 'mandatory' resources to a user's downloads folder for further distribution).

Reuben, we'll consider this in a future version. As Andrew said, there currently isn't any UI to choose which datasets you want, which makes them all "required," in a sense. We have some mock-ups of what dataset control could look like, but it's not part of the current project. 

 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 22 2019 10:40 PM

Adam Borries (Faithlife):
As Andrew said, there currently isn't any UI to choose which datasets you want, which makes them all "required," in a sense.

That wasn't part of, nor necessary to the request, so the install option could download all datasets (Datasets only), and the user could then select their library resources or use the Scan command. The main idea is to have an alternative to the Recommended or Minimal options which is truly minimal, and avoids indexing a set of library resources that may well be far from optimal (in number as well as pre-selection). The Scan command would come into its own during a re-install, when the user has made all their selections and backed up the Resources folder.

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Dave Hooton:
The main idea is to have an alternative to the Recommended or Minimal options which is truly minimal

We've heard your and Reuben's repeated requests for this feature. We completely understand it. We discussed it internally long before we started implementation of Cloud Resources and decided that we were willing to ship without it. It is not, and will not be, part of the first released version of Cloud Resources.

We are considering implementing a more "minimal" bundle in a future version of Logos. When we implement it, it will be announced in the Beta 1 release notes.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 25 2019 9:46 AM

For dataset(s), like idea of one(s) being downloaded that are usable with Library resource(s) in the installation.

If Library does not have any resources for dataset use, would appreciate that dataset staying in the cloud.

If subsequently choose to download more Library resource(s), would appreciate usable dataset(s) being downloaded too.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 25 2019 1:03 PM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
We've heard your and Reuben's repeated requests for this feature. We completely understand it. We discussed it internally long before we started implementation of Cloud Resources and decided that we were willing to ship without it.

Thank you for hearing and understanding our repeated requests.

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