Feature request: Down-prioritized resources

Page 1 of 2 (22 items) 1 2 Next >
This post has 21 Replies | 2 Followers

Posts 93
J. Erik | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Feb 13 2019 2:56 PM

Hi!

So there's a way to set prioritized resources, and there's a way to remove resources "completely" by hiding them. What there does not seem to be, is a way to down-prioritize resources.

That would be nice to use on resources that I want to be included in my searches, but they should appear at the very bottom of the list. In this way my prioritized resources would come first, then the "neutral" ones and then at last the ones I think lightly of :)

Good or bad idea?

Posts 26854
Forum MVP
JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 13 2019 3:26 PM

J. Erik:
Good or bad idea?

GREAT idea... once which I proposed many years ago Smile (to no avail Tongue Tied). 

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/55594/401637.aspx#401637 

OSX & iOS | Mac Logs | PC LogsInstall

Posts 422
J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 13 2019 7:33 PM

I thought prioritization was handled by order, which would make this suggestion obsolete, unless I'm overlooking something. 

Suppose that I want to prioritize CSB to come first, ESV to be "neutral" and then LEB to be last. Wouldn't this ordering of 1, 2, 3 in prioritization already accomplish this?

Posts 21514
Forum MVP
Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 13 2019 11:14 PM

J. Remington Bowling:
Wouldn't this ordering of 1, 2, 3 in prioritization already accomplish this?

Not really - as then the rest of your resources would appear in "default" prioritisation order.

What is being requested here is that we can override the default prioritisation and force some resources to the bottom of the list.

Posts 24242
Forum MVP
Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2019 4:19 AM

J. Erik:

What there does not seem to be, is a way to down-prioritize resources.

That would be nice to use on resources that I want to be included in my searches, but they should appear at the very bottom of the list

To be clear, Prioritization does not affect resource order in Searches (Morph, Bible, Basic ,etc). In a generic sense, though, I think you include Guides as  searches, and Prioritization does impact the order of resources e.g in the Topic section of Topic Guide; where you can't control what/how many are listed. The Commentaries section in Passage Guide can be used to manipulate prioritization, because you can have many such sections; each defined by a Collection. If your top prioritized commentaries are not in a particular collection, the "bunnies" will be listed (if they are included, they will still be listed at the top).

Down-prioritization of  resources would not be easy, as the Prioritzation feature would have to be drastically overhauled; which Faithlife haven't been keen to do e.g. be able to consign resources to the "bottom" of the list, and  restore them at a later time.

Dave
===

Windows & Android

Posts 93
J. Erik | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2019 9:46 AM

Yes, I was primarily speaking of the guides when I wrote "searches".

I see... well, the request is there if they can find time and resources for it :)

Posts 26854
Forum MVP
JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2019 9:52 AM

J. Remington Bowling:

I thought prioritization was handled by order, which would make this suggestion obsolete, unless I'm overlooking something. 

Suppose that I want to prioritize CSB to come first, ESV to be "neutral" and then LEB to be last. Wouldn't this ordering of 1, 2, 3 in prioritization already accomplish this?

You are overlooking that my library has over 10,000 resources! If you have 10 resources, your system works fine. If you have 10,000 it doesn’t. 

Consider this example: a user has resources from a different faith. She may not want to delete the resources... they are helpful when studying or ministering to someone of that faith. She may not want, however, for those resources to pop up during searches. My original idea was that HIDDEN resources would show up under a separate (collapsed) section in searches and guides. ARCHIVED (what FL unfortunately calls “hidden”) resources would not show up at all until unarchived. This would be different than resources in the cloud. 

OSX & iOS | Mac Logs | PC LogsInstall

Posts 1475
Forum MVP
Levi Durfey | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2019 11:03 AM

JT (alabama24):
Consider this example: a user has resources from a different faith. She may not want to delete the resources... they are helpful when studying or ministering to someone of that faith. She may not want, however, for those resources to pop up during searches. My original idea was that HIDDEN resources would show up under a separate (collapsed) section in searches and guides. ARCHIVED (what FL unfortunately calls “hidden”) resources would not show up at all until unarchived. This would be different than resources in the cloud. 

Yes to de-prioritized resources. I never knew I needed this until someone suggested it! It would really clean up searches!

How To Get Logs - macOS or Windows

Posts 2865
SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2019 11:32 AM

I too really wish this existed.

Posts 25935
Forum MVP
MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2019 2:17 PM

I solve this problem in searches by having two collections which are subsets of my library

  • "Basic Verbum/Logos" which is limited to books related to the Bible, religion, et. al. minus books I consider trash
  • "A staunchly Catholic collection" which is limited to books useful when I want a Catholic perspective

I very rarely search my entire collection which includes historical documents, classics, Buddhism etc.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

Posts 278
Michael Parry-Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2019 3:40 PM

Hi

MJ  is it possible you could share a copy of the your 

staunchly Catholic collection and your Basic Verbum/Logos collection

Mick
Posts 24242
Forum MVP
Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2019 4:23 PM

JT (alabama24):

J. Remington Bowling:

I thought prioritization was handled by order, which would make this suggestion obsolete, unless I'm overlooking something. 

Suppose that I want to prioritize CSB to come first, ESV to be "neutral" and then LEB to be last. Wouldn't this ordering of 1, 2, 3 in prioritization already accomplish this?

You are overlooking that my library has over 10,000 resources! If you have 10 resources, your system works fine. If you have 10,000 it doesn’t. 

Consider this example: a user has resources from a different faith. She may not want to delete the resources... they are helpful when studying or ministering to someone of that faith. She may not want, however, for those resources to pop up during searches. My original idea was that HIDDEN resources would show up under a separate (collapsed) section in searches and guides. ARCHIVED (what FL unfortunately calls “hidden”) resources would not show up at all until unarchived. This would be different than resources in the cloud. 

This seems to be off-track as the OP is referring to Guides, where  Prioritization will assist you if unwanted resources "pop up" i.e. they don't have to be hidden. If they appear in Searches (Morph, Basic , Bible) you can create appropriate collections, using rules for resources you want or don't want. Tagging and/or Rating unwanted resources requires almost as much effort as hiding them, and you can easily undo them! And you can get them to appear in a separate Search, using a collection that includes them. I generally hide unwanted resources if they are too numerous for a pick list e.g. the list of bibles in Morph/Bible Search.

Also, you don't have to limit a Search with a created collection  - you can type a collection rule, or pick from "Tags and Ratings".

Linked Searches e.g. from a guide or Factbook, could be a problem. You can modify them after the initial run, or it becomes a factor for hiding resources!

We are currently testing removal of resources in beta 8.3. Primarily intended for users with limited disk space, you can still remove resources you don't want, and they will appear in Library via the facet "Not on this device" (you can also select resources that are "On this device"). Removal affects the software in the same way as hidden, but it doesn't affect your other desktop/mobile installations. Also, resources can be easily restored via bulk selection from Library. An Everything Search will show results for removed  resources in a Cloud Resources section, but it is currently restricted to a Ranked presentation.

Dave
===

Windows & Android

Posts 24242
Forum MVP
Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2019 4:29 PM

Levi Durfey:
de-prioritized resources. I never knew I needed this until someone suggested it! It would really clean up searches!

Provided you understand that the OP's searches refer to Guides.

Dave
===

Windows & Android

Posts 25935
Forum MVP
MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2019 4:36 PM

Catholic is publisher:(Ignatius, "Liturgical Press","Paulist Press","Emmaus Road","Saint Benedict Press","Libreria Editrice Vaticana","Servant Press","St. Anthony Messenger Press","TAN Books","St Vladimir's Seminary Press","Ancient Faith Publishing","Catholic University of America","Newman Press","Conciliar Press","Benziger Brothers","Catholic Scripture Study International","Pontifical Biblical Institute","Catholic Answers","B. Herder","St. Tikhon's Seminary Press") with other manual additions

Basic Logos/Verbum depends on my manually marking everything I want included that isn't a standard Logos edition.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

Posts 278
Michael Parry-Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2019 4:46 PM

Thank you Smile

Mick
Posts 26854
Forum MVP
JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2019 8:04 PM

Dave Hooton:
This seems to be off-track as the OP is referring to Guides

I don't see how. If I have sources which I don't want to discard, but I also don't want showing up in guides/searches, why wouldn't a reverse prioritization be a good solution? 

OSX & iOS | Mac Logs | PC LogsInstall

Posts 24242
Forum MVP
Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 15 2019 8:35 PM

JT (alabama24):
If I have sources which I don't want to discard, but I also don't want showing up in guides/searches, why wouldn't a reverse prioritization be a good solution?

I gave reasons for separating Guides and Searches! How would Prioritization (reverse or otherwise) affect a Search?

Dave
===

Windows & Android

Posts 26854
Forum MVP
JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 16 2019 4:14 AM

Simple. Anything on the list would be segregated out and not shown under the main results. 

OSX & iOS | Mac Logs | PC LogsInstall

Posts 24242
Forum MVP
Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 16 2019 1:53 PM

JT (alabama24):

Simple. Anything on the list would be segregated out and not shown under the main results. 

What list? How will it be made? Remember that Prioritization doesn't affect  Search results.

Dave
===

Windows & Android

Posts 25935
Forum MVP
MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 16 2019 6:03 PM

JT (alabama24):
Simple. Anything on the list would be segregated out and not shown under the main results. 

Dave's question shows why I use collections. Perhaps, the question re: searches is "what would de-prioritization provide that collections don't -- and is that worth the time necessary to implement the change.?"

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

Page 1 of 2 (22 items) 1 2 Next > | RSS