Possible to add an Olive Tree resource?

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John Schirle | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Mar 5 2019 4:28 AM

Probably the answer is 'no', but thought I'd ask.

I have Logos 7, which I use extensively in conjunction with SIL/UBS' s Paratext for Bible translation. I see a useful resource available at present quite inexpensively via Olive Tree.  But I really don't want to run a third program just to have this resource, and my computer is already sluggish with the other two.

So if I purchase this resource from Olive Tree, can I somehow integrate it into Logos?

Thanks.

John

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2019 4:31 AM

I know nothing about that resource.

The only way you would be able to do that is if you can somehow convert the Olive Tree Resource to a .docx and then create a personal book in Logos.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2019 4:53 AM

Fredc:

I know nothing about that resource.

The only way you would be able to do that is if you can somehow convert the Olive Tree Resource to a .docx and then create a personal book in Logos.

And violating the user agreements on both Olive Tree and Faithlife but it can be done with a good OCR program. 

What someone needs to do is convince publishers that the licence to use their product goes with the person rather than the platform. But as the laws now exist if you want, for example, the NIV in every Bible software program you use then you need to pay for it over and over and over again. 

We may require changes to the copyright laws to move the rights from a platform to a person.  [[Buy once use anywhere]] 

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John Schirle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2019 4:59 AM

Thanks for the comments.  I didn't think it would work.  And in this case it's a dictionary, so simple conversion to a document file would probably lose whatever features would allow you to click on a word in a text and look it up.

I'm sure I will get by just fine without it!

John

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2019 5:24 AM

David Ames:

Fredc:

I know nothing about that resource.

The only way you would be able to do that is if you can somehow convert the Olive Tree Resource to a .docx and then create a personal book in Logos.

And violating the user agreements on both Olive Tree and Faithlife but it can be done with a good OCR program. 

What someone needs to do is convince publishers that the licence to use their product goes with the person rather than the platform. But as the laws now exist if you want, for example, the NIV in every Bible software program you use then you need to pay for it over and over and over again. 

We may require changes to the copyright laws to move the rights from a platform to a person.  [[Buy once use anywhere]] 

Being able to access books we've purchased across different platforms would be the dream. After all when we buy physical books we don't need to put them in different rooms according to which store we purchased them from.

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2019 5:57 AM

Paul Caneparo:
Being able to access books we've purchased across different platforms would be the dream. After all when we buy physical books we don't need to put them in different rooms according to which store we purchased them from.

I agree it would be nice to be able to import books from other platforms into logos. However, how would the creators of those platforms make the money necessary to support their platform? Faithlife gives away their software (both on the desktop and mobile platforms). Yes we pay for some of the extra tools and features, but we have also seen continuous improvement of the tools and features. If I could get their software for free, and what is a relatively nominal fee for the feature set, but buy my resources from the cheapest supplier, then how would they make the money need to support what they are giving away?

Another thing to consider, is that much of the tagging and formatting FL does under the hood is needed to support the ever expanding datasets and tools that make Logos unique. If I import a resource from Olive Tree (or some other supplier) it would not have that tagging and formatting.

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2019 7:46 AM

Fredc:

Paul Caneparo:
Being able to access books we've purchased across different platforms would be the dream. After all when we buy physical books we don't need to put them in different rooms according to which store we purchased them from.

I agree it would be nice to be able to import books from other platforms into logos. However, how would the creators of those platforms make the money necessary to support their platform? Faithlife gives away their software (both on the desktop and mobile platforms). Yes we pay for some of the extra tools and features, but we have also seen continuous improvement of the tools and features. If I could get their software for free, and what is a relatively nominal fee for the feature set, but buy my resources from the cheapest supplier, then how would they make the money need to support what they are giving away?

Another thing to consider, is that much of the tagging and formatting FL does under the hood is needed to support the ever expanding datasets and tools that make Logos unique. If I import a resource from Olive Tree (or some other supplier) it would not have that tagging and formatting.

I was just saying it would be nice. 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2019 8:29 AM

John Schirle:

Probably the answer is 'no', but thought I'd ask.

I have Logos 7, which I use extensively in conjunction with SIL/UBS' s Paratext for Bible translation. I see a useful resource available at present quite inexpensively via Olive Tree.  But I really don't want to run a third program just to have this resource, and my computer is already sluggish with the other two.

So if I purchase this resource from Olive Tree, can I somehow integrate it into Logos?

Thanks.

John

If indeed you're in the research world (vs pastor, devotional, classes), you really should just get used multiple platforms. I mainly work off of 3, each with their specialty. Then become adept at periodic conversion (text, not book)

- Logos can't cover everything; tends to always be (very) late on academic

- Logos likes high-volume books and profit margins; scan the new entries to get a feel

- Logos 'plays' at anything outside their bread/butter. Don't be misled; it won't get better


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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2019 9:41 AM

Paul Caneparo:

I was just saying it would be nice. 

I agree it would be nice if Logos could support reading and "dumb" text searching (i.e., non-tagged) of a couple of other widely-used file formats (e.g., pdf, epub, Word).

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2019 10:03 AM

This is one reason why Logos may be reluctant to add PDF and ePub support to PBB. . .  and that's totally reasonable from their standpoint. 

And while Logos will never have all the resources you might want, they have gotten better over the years (at least in areas that I have wanted and requested). 

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2019 10:39 AM

I'm generally happy with the resources Faithlife make available. I find the pre-pub program frustrating as there's never certainty that a resource I want will make it through - whereas my second Bible software company seems more committed to completing a series that they already offer. The main reason I still use another Bible software company is down to international restrictions on HarperCollins books on Faithlife's eBooks site and my other Bible software company's incredible 2 or 3 times a year "Beat the Clock" offers.

I should add though that Faithlife offer an incredible number of coupons throughout the year, that certainly help in keeping me loyal.

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2019 11:54 PM

John Schirle:

Thanks for the comments.  I didn't think it would work.  And in this case it's a dictionary, so simple conversion to a document file would probably lose whatever features would allow you to click on a word in a text and look it up.

I'm sure I will get by just fine without it!

John

I have used Olive Tree for years, and now I am more of a Logos kind of feller’ 🤓.  

But, I did pick up TDOT last night from Olive Tree.  Just too good to pass up at almost 90% off.  

Really makes it difficult for me since I have collected a TON of works from Olive Tree (e.g., BDAG, HALOT, BHS, NA28, UBS-5, A Translators OT & NT, GGBB, BBH, BBG, NIGTC, etc.).

I do find that I like the functionality of Logos better though.  Just my 2 cents.

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