Most Important Logos 8 Bugs and Improvements for Academic/Seminary Users

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Scott Jacobsen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 24 2019 2:17 PM

Instead of a footnote saying "Ibid" which makes it very difficult to locate the original source, could they all refer to the full resource? Given the size/type/colour of the preceding footnotes, it can make for a difficult hunt for the first resource note. This is especially true in that using Logos we are skipping between many resources and not reading each one from the beginning.

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Scott Jacobsen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 24 2019 2:28 PM

I would like to be able to build a bibliography within Logos where I can add resources that are not in Logos. Any bibliography I build in Logos will be incomplete. This would be a nice addition.

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 24 2019 2:30 PM

Yes!

Also, several places, Hebrew or Semitic transliteration is problematic, e.g. you'll get an italicized word with most of the letters in italics, but something with a superscript (like š or ś) or subscript (ḥ or ḫ or ḏ) won't be. It's very distracting. 

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Charlene | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 25 2019 12:21 AM

Scott Jacobsen:
I would like to be able to build a bibliography within Logos where I can add resources that are not in Logos. Any bibliography I build in Logos will be incomplete. This would be a nice addition.

Yes

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Charlene | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 25 2019 12:23 AM

Scott Jacobsen:
Instead of a footnote saying "Ibid" which makes it very difficult to locate the original source, could they all refer to the full resource? Given the size/type/colour of the preceding footnotes, it can make for a difficult hunt for the first resource note. This is especially true in that using Logos we are skipping between many resources and not reading each one from the beginning.

So true!!!!  YesYesYes

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 25 2019 4:28 AM

Scott Jacobsen:

I would like to be able to build a bibliography within Logos where I can add resources that are not in Logos. Any bibliography I build in Logos will be incomplete. This would be a nice addition.

Agree. Extend Logos to be a full blown reference manager would be great. Being able to "understand" non-Logos resources also has a side-benefit: any citations done in a book will no longer only be tagged only if it exists in Logos, that is if they decided to tag them (please!). It is quite annoying for citation to non-Logos resource at the moment of release not tagged at all.

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 25 2019 6:28 AM

Kolen Cheung:

Scott Jacobsen:

I would like to be able to build a bibliography within Logos where I can add resources that are not in Logos. Any bibliography I build in Logos will be incomplete. This would be a nice addition.

Agree.

I don't. There are softwares that do that already and one can export Logos titles to these to combine with non-Logos titles. The more we had to Logos that can already be done out of it and is not really the province of Bible software, the more it will bloated and even slower than it already is. Plus it takes away budget, development and support time for other things. No reading pdfs, checking email, browsing the web, and brewing a cup of coffee through Logos please!

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 25 2019 6:45 AM

But Logos sort of does that already.

But I agree that Logos has too many features that a Bible Software shouldn’t have, like the notes feature that almost is like having a word processor or Evernote like thing. But then its integration with Logos makes it unique. (Verses, searching, etc)

Please no more “disagree” replies though. This thread is about gathering ideas that they might not have thought about. But we should trust them to have intellectual capability to discern what they should provide.

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 25 2019 7:02 AM

Kolen Cheung:
Please no more “disagree” replies though.

Disagreed! I mean no offense here and the point is not to put down anyone. Together we think through proposals and can improve on them. Some ideas can look good at first but really not be while criticism can be overturned with judicious observations. Moreover whether or not something is implemented affects all users, so if someone thinks that an idea would have a negative impact on their experience, they should be able to say so. Disagreement needs not be negative or unconstructive if done in the right spirit and manner. However, I respect your right to disagree with me on this point... Wink

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Andrew Biddinger | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 25 2019 9:26 AM

I disagree of your disagreement of his disagreement of your disagreement of their suggestion! Big SmileStick out tongueWink ...haha...sorry, I just couldn't resist. JK.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 25 2019 11:04 AM

Andrew Biddinger:

I disagree of your disagreement of his disagreement of your disagreement of their suggestion! Big SmileStick out tongueWink ...haha...sorry, I just couldn't resist. JK.

You stole my line! I anticipated that reply and planned to reply something like this!

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 25 2019 11:25 AM

I don't agree with half of you half as well as I should like; and I disagree less than with half of you half as well as you deserve. Big Smile

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 25 2019 11:53 AM

Scott Jacobsen:
Instead of a footnote saying "Ibid" which makes it very difficult to locate the original source, could they all refer to the full resource?

Could you clarify what exactly you mean?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 25 2019 12:10 PM

SineNomine:
Could you clarify what exactly you mean?

Let's say you click on footnote 14, and it says "ibid" ("ibid" means "the same as the previous reference"). You then have to find, and click on, footnote 13, to find out what book it refers to. If you're unlucky, it too will say "ibid.", and you'll then have to go back to footnote 12, or even footnote 11 or earlier…

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Scott Jacobsen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 25 2019 12:11 PM

If I'm reading a text, I see a footnote. If the footnote says "Ibid" page 27, I have no idea to what the Ibid refers. I have to find the previous footnote, but it might say "Ibid" as well. So I may have to search for a number of footnotes until one doesn't say "Ibid," but actually gives the resource location. 

Footnote markers are small in Logos, and there is the possibility that I might inadvertently skip the correct footnote and move back to another previous footnote that is not the correct resource. 

Example:

Footnote 28--Full resource information

Footnote 29--Full resource information

Footnote 30--Ibid, page 23

Footnote 31--Ibid, page 78

Footnote 32--Ibid

Footnote 33--Ibid, page ix.

If I start reading the resource in a paragraph that includes Footnote 33, I must search for footnote 32, then 31, then 30, then 29. These could be paragraphs apart, or even pages apart. So much time is spent scanning the page to find the elusive footnote number. There is also the likely possibility that I will loose track counting backward, and end up at footnote 28 instead of 29.

Ibid works well when one book or article is being read as a complete whole. This is how it should be done for a paper. But the nature of Logos is that you can hyperlink right into the middle of a page or paragraph to the part that interests you. That means it is incumbent on the reader to search for previous footnotes.

My suggesting is that everywhere Ibid occurs, the actual resource in indicated.

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 25 2019 1:04 PM

Scott Jacobsen:
My suggesting is that everywhere Ibid occurs, the actual resource in indicated.

I agree. Ibid is used because of space constraints and such which don't exist in digital resources. FWIW, "Ibid" occurs over 26k times in my library.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 25 2019 1:40 PM

LaTeX support. PBB LaTeX reader, and print with LaTeX output options.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 25 2019 1:50 PM

This is academic but unrelated to original language (so I can foresee someone going to disagree on this Stick out tongue)—Math support. I noticed that Math equations in docx are not parsed in the PBB compiler.

This is at best Noet-like territory. From the first day I knew about Logos I envy the academics in this field. How much nicer it would be if the scientific world has something like Logos for us (not saying that it might be economically feasible for it to be a business.)

But it wouldn't be too hard to support Math in PBB (e.g. there exists parsers that can translate that into SVG/PNG, etc.) Also consider some of the classic work in Math are actually in Greek and played an important role in areas such as philosophy, it is not that remote from the Noet business Faithlife might have.

(I agree this is of very low priority if any though.)

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 25 2019 2:04 PM

I agree but would label it logic support ... many PDF's don't become PB's easily because of this.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 25 2019 3:21 PM

Scott Jacobsen:
My suggesting is that everywhere Ibid occurs, the actual resource in indicated.

Thank you for clarifying. I would support this suggestion for resources created in the future.

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