Time line for "heresies" in the NT

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Mar 20 2019 7:48 AM

Is there a resource that lays out a timeline for so-called heresies that were either existent or incipient from the 1C - 5C?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 20 2019 8:59 AM

While you're waiting, there's a timeline for writers against heresies. Marcion would be a great example .... gnostics another.


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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 20 2019 9:11 AM

Just about any Church History text will give evidence for when certain ideas were debated in the early church. But the exact history of when the idea started has been greatly debated since at least Bauer's Orthodoxy and Heresy was written, where he argued that there is evidence that ideas rejected as Heresy later have quite early roots - and were actually the dominant form in many areas.

How you read the evidence is greatly debated. But the reading of the Ante-Nicenes that I have done seems to me to show clearly that even the most Orthodox of them were developing the ideas and clarity that would become orthodoxy, but used formulations that later generations would not consider fully orthodox, and so we can and should speak of doctrine developing over time as controversy forced the Church into clarifying aspects of her teaching that had not yet been made clear.

So, again, I would recommend a good church history text or dictionary/encyclopedia.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 20 2019 9:22 PM

I've been trying without much success to chart the flow of early Christianity without dates. Until one gets Jewish Christianity and Pauline Christianity merging and realigning into the three great streams - Oriental, Byzantine, Western .. and their leaving Gnosticism to follow it's own history, everything I can find seems to be contradicted by another source But Christian History Timeline: Heresy in the Early Church may be of some help. Or see it in Logos: Christian History Magazine-Issue 51: Heresy in the Early Church. Carol Stream, IL: Christianity Today, 1996. I would expect Kegel to have published some relevant charts ...

This wikipedia article might help fill it out a bit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_movements_declared_heretical_by_the_Catholic_Church

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 21 2019 4:38 AM

Yes I too found somewhat the same. Got Issue 51 and that seems good. I'll gander at the wiki thang as well.

MJ. Smith:

I've been trying without much success to chart the flow of early Christianity without dates. Until one gets Jewish Christianity and Pauline Christianity merging and realigning into the three great streams - Oriental, Byzantine, Western .. and their leaving Gnosticism to follow it's own history, everything I can find seems to be contradicted by another source But Christian History Timeline: Heresy in the Early Church may be of some help. Or see it in Logos: Christian History Magazine-Issue 51: Heresy in the Early Church. Carol Stream, IL: Christianity Today, 1996. I would expect Kegel to have published some relevant charts ...

This wikipedia article might help fill it out a bit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_movements_declared_heretical_by_the_Catholic_Church

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 21 2019 5:27 AM

From   https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/heresy-in-the-early-church-timeline 

 QUARTODECIMANISM

c. 155 Polycarp and others from Asia Minor advocate Nisan 14 as date of Easter

c. 190 Pope Victor insists on Sunday observance and tries to stamp out Quartodecimanism (“14th—ism”), though Irenaeus advocates tolerance

325 Council of Nicea accepts Alexandrian method of determining Easter

400 Rome begins using Alexandrian method

In the Middle Ages, the Celtic church (in 625) and the church in Gaul (in the 800s) join the West in adopting the Alexandrian method

On Nisan 14, the day of the year, or on a nearby Sunday, Celebrating the day of the week?? 

Who got it right? Should we just accept the decisions of the past or reexamine them? And where do we discuss this? 

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 21 2019 5:37 PM

Who are you???

Denise:

While you're waiting, there's a timeline for writers against heresies. Marcion would be a great example .... gnostics another.

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 21 2019 6:51 PM

A heresy explorer might be a fine addition for L9.

Which teaching is considered heresy. Which denominations consider it heresy. Content of the teaching, relevant councils etc.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 21 2019 7:20 PM

Milkman:

Who are you???

Denise:

While you're waiting, there's a timeline for writers against heresies. Marcion would be a great example .... gnostics another.

By way of explanation, the big argument for years has been gnosticism vs gnostics. Was there indeed gnosticism, or simply groupings of common elements? And of the latter, when did one or more or many begin? Or ranted about by heresy troops? And by the time of ranting, were the ideas even common? Were they ever common?

Marcion is another example ... when you quote Marcion, you're actually quoting from centuries after Marcion's death. Fully filtered? An edited Luke, but which Luke?  And how did major elements of the church ... Rome even, sign on? Was it heresy? Or was it later heresy?

Finally, people forget that the number one heresy bar none was judaism (talking well after the NT). Stamping out any hints. Would you want that?

The above is why a heresy timeline is almosy guaranteed to be a writers-against-heresies timeline. Probably the Montanists were an exception due to Tertulian's enthusiasm.


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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 21 2019 8:56 PM

Great point and suggestion!!

Jan Krohn:

A heresy explorer might be a fine addition for L9.

Which teaching is considered heresy. Which denominations consider it heresy. Content of the teaching, relevant councils etc.

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 21 2019 8:57 PM

Thanks, but who r u?!

Denise:

Milkman:

Who are you???

Denise:

While you're waiting, there's a timeline for writers against heresies. Marcion would be a great example .... gnostics another.

By way of explanation, the big argument for years has been gnosticism vs gnostics. Was there indeed gnosticism, or simply groupings of common elements? And of the latter, when did one or more or many begin? Or ranted about by heresy troops? And by the time of ranting, were the ideas even common? Were they ever common?

Marcion is another example ... when you quote Marcion, you're actually quoting from centuries after Marcion's death. Fully filtered? An edited Luke, but which Luke?  And how did major elements of the church ... Rome even, sign on? Was it heresy? Or was it later heresy?

Finally, people forget that the number one heresy bar none was judaism (talking well after the NT). Stamping out any hints. Would you want that?

The above is why a heresy timeline is almosy guaranteed to be a writers-against-heresies timeline. Probably the Montanists were an exception due to Tertulian's enthusiasm.

Denise:

Milkman:

Who are you???

Denise:

While you're waiting, there's a timeline for writers against heresies. Marcion would be a great example .... gnostics another.

By way of explanation, the big argument for years has been gnosticism vs gnostics. Was there indeed gnosticism, or simply groupings of common elements? And of the latter, when did one or more or many begin? Or ranted about by heresy troops? And by the time of ranting, were the ideas even common? Were they ever common?

Marcion is another example ... when you quote Marcion, you're actually quoting from centuries after Marcion's death. Fully filtered? An edited Luke, but which Luke?  And how did major elements of the church ... Rome even, sign on? Was it heresy? Or was it later heresy?

Finally, people forget that the number one heresy bar none was judaism (talking well after the NT). Stamping out any hints. Would you want that?

The above is why a heresy timeline is almosy guaranteed to be a writers-against-heresies timeline. Probably the Montanists were an exception due to Tertulian's enthusiasm.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 22 2019 4:52 AM

Denise:

The above is why a heresy timeline is almost guaranteed to be a writers-against-heresies timeline. 

Well said!  Thank you.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 3 2019 2:59 PM

Have you taken a look at the following resource?:

https://www.logos.com/product/26732/historical-theology-an-introduction-to-christian-doctrine

Not sure if it has a timeline, but is organized by topic and then goes into the time sensitive developments for that doctrine.

It does have links that take you to the timeline in L8, where some other resources can be consulted for more details.

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