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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 16 2019 1:25 PM

Mattillo:

Wow I wish it was that easy in Logos... I tried to find a river the other day and even though the Factbook found it and had a link to the atlas, when I clicked all it did was load the map. The rivers weren't even labeled. I gave up eventually and looked it up in an atlas

Mattillo, can you provide more information on this? 

If i go to the Factbook page for Kishon, the first map in the Media section links to Deborah and Barak Gather an Army Once i zoom in (a lot, if my last viewed map was a Biblical World map with broad coverage), i see something like this, and Kishon is labeled. What do you see? 

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 16 2019 1:30 PM

Mattillo:

Sean Boisen:

Mattillo:

Any thoughts from FL on whether this documentation could be added to Atlas?

Any thoughts from FL on if there are further additions coming to the atlas?

Thx

I've passed the documentation feedback along: thanks for that. 

We're not currently planning a feature like the one Rick describes, though i can appreciate why he wants it. The current best way to get a general sense of "where are these several places?" will be a Biblical World map for the appropriate era (in his case, Biblical World - The Early Church). 

Thank you Sean. Are there further updates coming to the atlas or is it finished? I noticed that there are some without slides. Also I couldn't remember where you were on getting these maps updated. Will rivers make it into maps? Thx

Nothing at Faithlife is ever "finished"Smile Our current Atlas work is focused on

  • Completing localization (we offer Atlas in six languages besides English)
  • Completing Media Maps (the slides)

We've also produced some new maps as part of the Geographic Commentary series: those will show up in Atlas if you own the related product. 

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 16 2019 3:09 PM

Sean Boisen:

Mattillo:

Wow I wish it was that easy in Logos... I tried to find a river the other day and even though the Factbook found it and had a link to the atlas, when I clicked all it did was load the map. The rivers weren't even labeled. I gave up eventually and looked it up in an atlas

Mattillo, can you provide more information on this? 

If i go to the Factbook page for Kishon, the first map in the Media section links to Deborah and Barak Gather an Army Once i zoom in (a lot, if my last viewed map was a Biblical World map with broad coverage), i see something like this, and Kishon is labeled. What do you see? 

Embarrassed

Well gosh Sean... I will apologize as I did not notice that little Kishon up there.  I find the river hard to see on the map you show so I went to the next one entitled Deborah and Barak defeat the Canaanites and it is easier to see on that one.  I think what must have happened is I zoomed in to get close to the battle scene which cut out the Kishon description. My apologies for that and the delay in responding to you.

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John Brumett | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 16 2019 6:05 PM

The New Moody Bible Atlas has a nice map of the Mountains and Rivers of Palestine.

It would be nice if someday we would be able to search for these places in other maps and atlases.  So Factbook would include the New Moody Atlas places.  

 

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DanC | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 17 2019 7:14 AM

I agree. In the mean time, I put all my atlases, maps, charts, and images into a collection. NowI can do a search for any event or place using this collection. It provides a lot of returns.

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Richard Villanueva | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 17 2019 7:31 AM

DanC, did you manually make this collection or use a rule to gather them? If you created a rule, would you mind sharing it? I'm interested in doing the same!

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 17 2019 9:59 AM

Mattillo:
Well gosh Sean... I will apologize ...

I'm sorry, Mattillo, but when I looked at Sean's map, I didn't see any river. I think you'd have to know Kishon was 'the river'.  I don't use the Atlas because they're so adament to not do normal mapping. 

On iOS, I have my favorite mapping (ScenicMaps apps), and the dev guy is quite snappy (doesn't abide fix it suggestions). But he re-did a whole download series because he forgot the river names .. quite apologetic. And real names too ... like 'Mississippi River'. 


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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 17 2019 1:55 PM

Richard Villanueva:

DanC, did you manually make this collection or use a rule to gather them? If you created a rule, would you mind sharing it? I'm interested in doing the same!

Unfortunately atlas isn't a tag in Logos.  I don't have a lot of atlas' but what I have done is gone through the ones I have and tag them "atlas".  Then you can make a rule mytag:atlas and that would work.

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Bootjack | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 17 2019 4:29 PM

Does the "Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas" work much like the Atlas I use in Logos 8? I see no name on the one I presently have other than Atlas. I'm using Logos 8 and believe it's the Silver package I presently have. 

 

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DanC | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 17 2019 8:02 PM

Richard Villanueva:

DanC, did you manually make this collection or use a rule to gather them? If you created a rule, would you mind sharing it? I'm interested in doing the same!

Here is what I used for my collection. I also had to manually add three books for a total of 72 resources.

title:atlas OR title:map OR title:chart OR title:image

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 17 2019 9:29 PM

Bootjack:

Does the "Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas" work much like the Atlas I use in Logos 8? I see no name on the one I presently have other than Atlas. I'm using Logos 8 and believe it's the Silver package I presently have. 

The "Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas" is a traditional atlas. I don't know how many maps it has overall: but the chapter on Paul includes

  • Saul's Early Years
  • The traditional maps of 3 missionary journeys and his journey to Rome (in a few versions) 
  • A map on International Gateways of the Northeastern Mediterranean
  • The Jerusalem Council

Atlas, by contrast, isn't a prose resource, and includes zoomable (not static) maps for biblical stories. It has about 35 maps covering the life of Paul, so the maps are more fine-grained. The Biblical Places Maps are more like a traditional atlas resource.

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 18 2019 8:12 AM

Sean Boisen:

Rick Ausdahl:

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This works on my system, but the atlas is so slow in responding, I would have never figured it out without being told (thank you, Randy).  But even with this post explaining it, at first I thought it wasn't working because it is sooooooo slow to respond.  For all practical purposes, the Atlas is simply too slow to use on my setup (i7-6500 CPU @ 2.50-2.59 GHz, 16GB memory, 256GB SSD, internet speed 12 Mbps).

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Rick, I'd like to better understand the Atlas slowness you're experiencing on your system. For example, on my modern MacBook Pro just now:

  • I restarted Logos, and then started from the Factbook page on the Arnon River and clicked on the map in the Media section with tooltip Battles of the Wandering Israelites. 
  • I'd say it took about 7 seconds to open the Atlas panel, bring up the map, zoom in and show the orange circle.
  • Having loaded the map, zooming and panning seem nearly instantaneous
  • Switching to a different map in the sidebar takes a few seconds at most

What's your experience like? 

Sean, thanks for your help with this.

First, I apologize for not responding sooner.  I haven't had much time to be on the forum the last few days or to use Logos for the past week or so.  And available time for the next couple of weeks may be spotty as well so it may be a while before I'm able to provide timely replies.

Now down to business.  This morning I started Logos and opened the Atlas.  It opened to the last map I had used which was "From Athens to Thessalonica -- Timothy".  It took 17 seconds to open and load the map, although it took a little longer to completely finish as I had the Atlas in "terrain" view and it continued rendering some of the terrain features for another 5 seconds or so.

Initially, I couldn't get the map to either tilt or rotate.  It would zoom in and out, but wouldn't tilt or rotate.  So I tried another map.  Same scenario.  So now I was confused, because as previously noted, although it had been slow, it had worked for me before.  What I eventually figured out is that the tilt and rotate would not work UNTIL I dragged/moved the map.  I didn't have to move it much, but it simply would not tilt or rotate any map I tried until I moved the map--even if ever so slightly.

After figuring that out, most of the requests to rotate or tilt the map would complete within 2-3 seconds, although I found I could not simply hold the arrow keys down to start and then continue a tilt or rotation process.  I'd have to release, then re-press the arrow key in order to further tilt or rotate the map, AND if I didn't leave a second or two between the arrow key presses, subsequent presses were ignored (no further rotation or tilt).  At the beginning of this paragraph I said most requests to rotate or tilt the map would complete with 2-3 seconds.  But there were a few times when the map simply stopped responding, even though I was leaving a second or two between arrow key presses.  One of the times, the map started responding again after a considerable delay (20-30 seconds?), but not as quickly as before.  And a couple of times, I had to leave the map and reopen it to get it working again.

After playing with several maps in terrain mode I switched to flat mode to see if that made any difference in the behaviors experienced in terrain mode.  All was the same except I noticed when rotating the map, the arrow indicating the map's rotation angle was not changing--it always pointed straight up and pressing it would not reset the map.  I then switched back to terrain mode and noticed the rotation arrow was no longer moving in that mode either and as in flat mode, pressing the arrow would not reset the map.

In general, loading maps in flat mode was a little quicker then in terrain mode, with many flat maps loading in 5-7 seconds, though a few took a little longer.  In terrain mode it varied a lot more, ranging from 5-20 seconds.  I also noted that when using the filter to list only those maps that had "Timothy" in the title, the original map I started with this morning (From Athens to Thessalonice -- Timothy) opened with the map positioned (and IIRC zoomed differently) than when opening it from the full list of maps.

So...in general, the Atlas was responding faster than it has for me in the past--not sure why--hope to play with it again within the next week or so.  But even with the better response times this morning, there were several glitches in behavior sometimes causing delays in response time, sometimes getting no response at all.  So overall, even though response time was much better than in the past (including recent past), it still made for a rather confusing and unsettling experience.

Hope this helps.

Thanks again!  Smile 

EDIT:  One additional note regarding tilting the map.  There is obviously a limit as to how far the map can/will tilt, but there is no message or indicator that I can see that lets you know you've reached that point--the map simply stops responding.  But when it stops responding on my system, the map is not nearly at an extreme enough tilt angle to make me suspect I've hit the tilt limit.  That leaves me waiting and thinking something is wrong.  I think it would be helpful if some kind of message or indicator was provided to let the user know the tilt limit had been reached.

 

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 18 2019 8:17 AM

DanC:

Richard Villanueva:

DanC, did you manually make this collection or use a rule to gather them? If you created a rule, would you mind sharing it? I'm interested in doing the same!

Here is what I used for my collection. I also had to manually add three books for a total of 72 resources.

title:atlas OR title:map OR title:chart OR title:image

I like it!  Gave me a few more results though I added one more to the list:

title:atlas OR title:map OR title:chart OR title:image OR mytag:atlas

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Bootjack | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 18 2019 1:04 PM

Sean Boisen:

Bootjack:

Does the "Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas" work much like the Atlas I use in Logos 8? I see no name on the one I presently have other than Atlas. I'm using Logos 8 and believe it's the Silver package I presently have. 

The "Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas" is a traditional atlas. I don't know how many maps it has overall: but the chapter on Paul includes

  • Saul's Early Years
  • The traditional maps of 3 missionary journeys and his journey to Rome (in a few versions) 
  • A map on International Gateways of the Northeastern Mediterranean
  • The Jerusalem Council

Atlas, by contrast, isn't a prose resource, and includes zoomable (not static) maps for biblical stories. It has about 35 maps covering the life of Paul, so the maps are more fine-grained. The Biblical Places Maps are more like a traditional atlas resource.

Out of the two, which would you recommend first, the "Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas" or "The Biblical Places Maps" although I do not see the latter listed for sale by Logos. 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 18 2019 1:55 PM

Bootjack:
Out of the two ...

Bootjack, Biblical Places was Logos4 maps in 2009, last updated before Logos5. It went off the market at Logos6 and the first version of Atlas.

Rose is a specialty atlas. If you wanted the best, a new thread with what you prefer ... forum mappers have great advice. That's how I found Zondervan.


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Bootjack | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 18 2019 1:58 PM

Thanks for the update Denise! 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 18 2019 2:15 PM
Bootjack:

Thanks for the update Denise! 

I mentioned Zondervan (edited post above) because it operates similar to Atlas. It has the usual historical section, etc. But most important a dictionary by place. This latter includes a small discussion (hooks to a Bible using a CitedBy panel), and then a choice of maps for the location. This latter is also good since there's a popup letting you know what the clickable map discusses ... saves mindlessly bouncing across maps.


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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 18 2019 4:30 PM

Denise:
Biblical Places was Logos4 maps in 2009, last updated before Logos5. It went off the market at Logos6 and the first version of Atlas.

Biblical Places Maps is available in all Feature Sets, and Connect subscriptions. It appears in Library, but it has lost the ease of viewing it had in Logos 4/5.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 18 2019 4:45 PM

Dave Hooton:

Denise:
Biblical Places was Logos4 maps in 2009, last updated before Logos5. It went off the market at Logos6 and the first version of Atlas.

Biblical Places Maps is available in all Feature Sets, and Connect subscriptions. It appears in Library, but it has lost the ease of viewing it had in Logos 4/5.

Used to be purchasable, if I remember.


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John Brumett | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 18 2019 6:28 PM

I think biblical Place Maps could go from a Ok resource to a great resource with a few changes.

Like a commentary list all the scripture verses related to the map event so you can link your bible and it will automatically scroll to the right event map. When you in the Bible double click on the city and the map will automatically zoom in to the location.  Right now you have to play with the Control F key.  Then create a visual filter to show in your Bible the locations that are on that map.    

I now logos philosophy is invest in Logos 8 maps but why not fix both.  Logos 5 maps are more colorful.  

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