MICROSOFT SURFACE PRO "SURFACE PEN"

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Joseph Luna | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, May 11 2019 6:25 PM

Hi, I just purchased a new Microsoft Surface Pro 6. After installing Logos 8, I paired my pen and got it ready to use, but it doesn't work on my bible surface, although it works on Word.

I wanted to use it in my bible screen to connect verses, make arrows, draw circles, etc. Does anyone know whether I can use my pen with logos? 

Thank you, 

Joseph

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 11 2019 6:54 PM

I am sure someone will pop in with a definitive answer. From reading in the forums regularly, it does not sound like Logos has been optimized for touch screens. 

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 11 2019 7:51 PM

Joseph Luna:
I wanted to use it in my bible screen to connect verses, make arrows, draw circles, etc.

You can do this using the free draw tool in the Canvas utility. You can use the pen to highlight text to which you can apply the highlighting and markups from the highlighting utility.  You can't draw digital ink over resources.

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Joseph Luna | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 12 2019 12:46 PM

Thank you. 

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Jay | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 13 2019 12:01 AM

Is anybody actually making use of the drawing feature with pen on Canvas tool? 

On my tablet PC (surface pro type), Canvas is too insensitive to strokes that I can't even draw simple words without disruption. Currently, I'm just taking a screenshot on Logos, crop and open the image in OneNote, and do my hand note taking there. I wish Canvas tool was little better than completely useless when it comes to onscreen drawing. Or I wish the at least the F8 onscreen drawing mode had more features.

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Joseph Luna | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 13 2019 6:38 AM

You are correct Jay. I tried canvas as a suggestion from David Thomas, but I just don't feel comfortable doing anything with it because it's not practical for what I need to do. 

I will try One Note instead, but I still think Logos should work on allow us to use the stylus pen on the actual Logos screen for more in depth bible study. 

I wanted to make circles, connective arrows, short pen written notes, etc. 

Kind of disappointing. 

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David Loo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 29 2019 7:43 PM

I've used Surface Pro 4 along with the pen, and it works great. Great almost anywhere else but in Logos. Many places in the UI doesn't respond to pen or touch input (or doesn't respond properly). I've tried using the drawing mode in Canvas, but it's extremely slow. I basically have to draw very, very slowly in order to have my lines appear properly. Not only that, it doesn't support palm rejection, so as my pen is tracing out the lines, my palm is also making it's own lines.

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Kenny Larsen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 12 2019 4:41 AM

It's also rubbish with a wacom graphics pad on my laptop. It could be a great tool if only the drawing functions would match that of the inbuilt windows stuff. As it is it's unusable and dragging boxes around isn't quite the same, or ideal. Really could do with a fix!

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Jimothy | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 2 2019 10:32 PM

So, I was having the exact same issues with lag with my surface book 2 and surface pen, and then I found a workaround:

THE WEB APP HAS NO LAG with the stylus in canvas mode. go to app.logos.com. This link might work> Click here for the web app - app.logos.com 

It even worked well on my iPad

The web app is more responsive than the desktop app; Ironic, isn't it?

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David Loo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 3 2019 8:09 PM

That is interesting. I'll have to give it a try. My SP4 recently died (swollen battery, to the point where the screen separated from the base). I'll give the Surface Book 2 a try.

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danwdoo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 6 2019 12:33 AM

I think this is one area Logos appears to be a little blind to. They have made statements that features such as this are not common among their user base, but if you want to expand your user base to more casual church members, interface and intuitive features such as a pen usage seem the path to get there. Having users see bible study with an intuitive interface including things such as this could be a powerful selling point.

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Kenny Larsen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 12 2019 5:55 AM

Thank you! It works perfectly on the Web App, now just need fixing on the desktop software. Given the rapidly increasing number of 2-in-1 devices with screens fro drawing it seems daft for it not to be a priority to take advantage of it....

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 15 2019 6:08 AM

I haven't been able to figure this out so maybe someone here might now... how do you select text on your surface w/ your pen in Logos?  I've tried everything and just can't get it to select a string of text like a sentence so I can highlight it.

Anyone else having this issue on their surface?

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David Loo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 15 2019 7:18 PM

Hi Mattillo, I basically just treat the pen like a real pen on paper. So if I want to select a string of text, I touch the Surface pen at the first word, and drag the pen (without lifting if off the screen) until I have the selection I want. So it's like taking a pencil and drawing a line over the text on paper; you just do the same kind of action with the Surface pen.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 16 2019 6:33 AM

Just my opinion.  It is embarrassing that at this point Logos is still not optimized for touch.  That is ridiculous.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 16 2019 7:45 AM

Michael Childs:
Logos is still not optimized for touch

YesYes Apple was deeply committed to only using fingers on the i devices. even they have introduced a "pencil". I don't know why Logos seems to turn a deaf ear to this request.

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Claude Brown Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 16 2019 12:11 PM

My SP4 died also in the same manner, Since it was a known flaw they simply replaced and repaired the old one.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 16 2019 12:43 PM

David Loo:

Hi Mattillo, I basically just treat the pen like a real pen on paper. So if I want to select a string of text, I touch the Surface pen at the first word, and drag the pen (without lifting if off the screen) until I have the selection I want. So it's like taking a pencil and drawing a line over the text on paper; you just do the same kind of action with the Surface pen.

Thank you David... I could have sworn I tried that but just couldn't get it to select more than one word in Logos.  I'll try again later as well as in other programs to test it out more.

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Joseph Luna | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 16 2019 2:30 PM

I own a Surface 6 pro, but I don't get to use my pen on my Logos Bible (s) unless I use "Canvas." My pen works on Word, Note, and on Windows Ink Workspace, which in my opinion does not help me at all. 

During a personal study, I would like to be able to create a circle around a word, underline phrases, make up arrows, connecting words, etc. Where? Right on my Bible! (later on, it would be discarded after I finished my study or if I want to, I could save it my work on Word or on Note.). Isn't that the purpose of having a stylus pen? 

Will that be feasible in the future? 

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David Loo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 16 2019 6:06 PM

Yes! That's also exactly what I've always wanted to do, but wasn't able to do so directly in Logos. Like you, my workaround is to use "Copy Bible Verses" to copy the passage to either OneNote or some other app that supports the pen. Canvas is a good idea, and it's basically how it should work. But, as many have found out, Canvas is pretty much unusable, even on a top-of-the-line 8th generation i7 with 16GB or RAM. Hopefully Faithlife fixes this soon.

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