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DAL | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, May 19 2019 8:45 AM

If you could only choose one systematic theology which one would you choose  out of these two:

1) Horton: https://www.logos.com/product/26683/the-christian-faith-a-systematic-theology-for-pilgrims-on-the-way

2) Bird: https://www.logos.com/product/33987/evangelical-theology

Thanks for any feedback!

DAL

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 19 2019 8:58 AM

I found Horton's book very useful but couldn't really get into Bird's (I forget why now - it was some time ago!)

I wrote a review of Horton's book (below) to summarise what I found

3683.Book Review - The Christian Faith - submitted.pdf

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 19 2019 9:08 AM

Graham Criddle:

I found Horton's book very useful but couldn't really get into Bird's (I forget why now - it was some time ago!)

I wrote a review of Horton's book (below) to summarise what I found

3683.Book Review - The Christian Faith - submitted.pdf

Thanks Graham! I noticed Horton is Outlined better than Bird. I guess different perspectives, but Horton seems to be the more practical one.

Blessings!

DAL

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 19 2019 9:15 AM

Graham Criddle:

I found Horton's book very useful but couldn't really get into Bird's (I forget why now - it was some time ago!)

I wrote a review of Horton's book (below) to summarise what I found

3683.Book Review - The Christian Faith - submitted.pdf

Graham

Any thoughts on Horton Vs Wayne Grudem or Millard Erickson? I've always enjoyed Grudem's systematic theology. 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 19 2019 10:46 AM

HI Paul

Paul Caneparo:
Any thoughts on Horton Vs Wayne Grudem or Millard Erickson? I've always enjoyed Grudem's systematic theology. 

Sorry I can't provide any real insight there - I haven't spent much time with Grudem's systematic theology for some time. One of the things I like about Horton's approach is how he positions theology in the context of a drama, a story

"The Christian faith is, first and foremost, an unfolding drama. Geerhardus Vos observed, “The Bible is not a dogmatic handbook but a historical book full of dramatic interest.” This story that runs from Genesis to Revelation, centering on Christ, not only richly informs our mind; it captivates the heart and the imagination, animating and motivating our action in the world. When history seems to come to a standstill in sin, guilt, and death, the prophets direct God’s people to God’s fulfillment of his promise in a new covenant.


B. DOCTRINE: THE GRAMMAR OF FAITH

The great doctrines of the Christian faith arise out of this dramatic plot. “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth” (Jn 1:14). Where the world’s religions focus on timelessly eternal truths, the most important teachings of Christianity concern historical events"


Michael Horton, The Christian Faith: A Systematic Theology for Pilgrims on the Way (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2011), 19–20.

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 19 2019 1:46 PM

Horton's book was the principle textbook for a series of systematic theology classes I took a while back.  I found it very helpful.  As has been mentioned, it does a good job of explaining theology in the context of the dramatic story of God's creative and redemptive relationship with humanity.

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Mike Pettit | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 19 2019 2:10 PM

Graham Criddle:

HI Paul

Paul Caneparo:
Any thoughts on Horton Vs Wayne Grudem or Millard Erickson? I've always enjoyed Grudem's systematic theology. 

Sorry I can't provide any real insight there - I haven't spent much time with Grudem's systematic theology for some time. One of the things I like about Horton's approach is how he positions theology in the context of a drama, a story

"The Christian faith is, first and foremost, an unfolding drama. Geerhardus Vos observed, “The Bible is not a dogmatic handbook but a historical book full of dramatic interest.” This story that runs from Genesis to Revelation, centering on Christ, not only richly informs our mind; it captivates the heart and the imagination, animating and motivating our action in the world. When history seems to come to a standstill in sin, guilt, and death, the prophets direct God’s people to God’s fulfillment of his promise in a new covenant.


B. DOCTRINE: THE GRAMMAR OF FAITH

The great doctrines of the Christian faith arise out of this dramatic plot. “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth” (Jn 1:14). Where the world’s religions focus on timelessly eternal truths, the most important teachings of Christianity concern historical events"


Michael Horton, The Christian Faith: A Systematic Theology for Pilgrims on the Way (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2011), 19–20.

now this is very interesting, I have not thought about this approach before but it is a rather compelling argument

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 19 2019 2:13 PM

I went for Horton and now he joins my other Systematic Theologies with his own dramatic touch (no apologies, the pun was intended) 👍😁👌

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 19 2019 3:19 PM

DAL:

If you could only choose one systematic theology which one would you choose  out of these two:

1) Horton: https://www.logos.com/product/26683/the-christian-faith-a-systematic-theology-for-pilgrims-on-the-way

2) Bird: https://www.logos.com/product/33987/evangelical-theology

Thanks for any feedback!

DAL

DAL, thanks for bringing attention to these. Since I already have Horton, I will add Bird and see what I think of him.

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 19 2019 4:04 PM

Beloved:

DAL:

If you could only choose one systematic theology which one would you choose  out of these two:

1) Horton: https://www.logos.com/product/26683/the-christian-faith-a-systematic-theology-for-pilgrims-on-the-way

2) Bird: https://www.logos.com/product/33987/evangelical-theology

Thanks for any feedback!

DAL

DAL, thanks for bringing attention to these. Since I already have Horton, I will add Bird and see what I think of him.

Post your thoughts if you can, please.  I could give him a 30 day trial but I’m not sure I want to do that with Bird.  I’ll sleep on it tonight 👍😁👌

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Allen Browne | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 19 2019 6:33 PM

DAL:

If you could only choose one systematic theology which one would you choose  out of these two:

1) Horton: https://www.logos.com/product/26683/the-christian-faith-a-systematic-theology-for-pilgrims-on-the-way

2) Bird: https://www.logos.com/product/33987/evangelical-theology

DAL, I haven't used Horton, but Bird's is my number one go-to theology.

It depends how you think and hat you're expecting. Bird treats the gospel (the euangelion) the heart of theology, and I love what happens as a result.

A systematic theology always starts with a system (categories, questions that define what you're doing). Making the gospel the heart of the system works for me.

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 19 2019 6:54 PM

DAL:
Post your thoughts if you can, please.

Doing a brief flyover on Bird (I couldn't resist) I will say this, I think given the proposition to choose I would go with Horton as you have done. Erickson and Grudem are better on the subject. I'm a sucker for a deal on this subject though so I will keep my purchase as I may hew some gems from Bird's labor. 

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 20 2019 10:39 AM

I own Grudem and I find he's really down to earth on stuff so you can apply it without having to grind it down. 

There are three volumes currently on my wish list that fit the sale. I'm trying to decide which ones to add. There's Millard, Joel Beeke's work,and  Integrative Theology I'm kind of stuck in the valley of decision.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 20 2019 2:51 PM

DAL:

If you could only choose one systematic theology which one would you choose  out of these two:

1) Horton: https://www.logos.com/product/26683/the-christian-faith-a-systematic-theology-for-pilgrims-on-the-way

2) Bird: https://www.logos.com/product/33987/evangelical-theology

Thanks for any feedback!

Of those two, definitely Bird. I own both, but Horton did not really speak to me. I like Bird's writing style which aims to tke the dry and dusty out of systematic theology (actually the promo video for the book was cool enough to sell it to me back then) - but still he is a first-rate theologian, not dumbing it down. His theological convictions are not bound to the sometimes weird boundary lines of US-american theological camps, which makes it a refreshing read for international evangelicals. 

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 20 2019 4:51 PM

Thanks NB Mick! I bought it and I’ll be giving it a test drive. It’s a great deal with great reviews 👍😁👌

DAL

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Greg Masone | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 20 2019 6:59 PM

Ahhhh cafeteria christianity at its finest!

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 20 2019 10:09 PM

Greg Masone:

Ahhhh cafeteria christianity at its finest!

Why don’t you give us your recommendation 😜

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 22 2019 9:08 AM

True, but some great food to choose from. Far different from what is meant by 'cafeteria Christianity.' Wink

mm.

Greg Masone:

Ahhhh cafeteria christianity at its finest!

mm.

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Randall Cue | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 22 2019 1:11 PM

Robert Culver's systematic theology is one to look into. It is scholarly and thorough.

Soli Deo Gloria

Randy

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 22 2019 2:42 PM

Randall Cue:

Robert Culver's systematic theology is one to look into. It is scholarly and thorough.

 I concur!  To be honest all systematic theologies contribute something to our studies regardless of their “tradition.”

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