Search - ANDEQUALS vs INTERSECTS vs WITHIN

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Brian LeStourgeon | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jun 1 2019 7:18 PM

I've read in different places that

   "<Person Jesus> INTERSECTS <Lemma = lbs/el/κύριος>"     and

   "<Person Jesus> ANDEQUALS <Lemma = lbs/el/κύριος>"      and

   "<Lemma = lbs/el/κύριος> WITHIN <Person Jesus>"

are all ways of finding everyplace that the word "Lord" refers to Jesus in a Bible search. Seems like they would be equivalent, but I'm getting different results as follows:

First:

  • "<Person Jesus> INTERSECTS <Lemma = lbs/el/κύριος>"
  • "<Lemma = lbs/el/κύριος> INTERSECTS <Person Jesus>"
  • "<Lemma = lbs/el/κύριος> WITHIN <Person Jesus>"
  • all get 421 results in 393 verses

Second:

  • "<Lemma = lbs/el/κύριος> ANDEQUALS <Person Jesus>"
  • "<Person Jesus> ANDEQUALS <Lemma = lbs/el/κύριος>"
  • "<Person Jesus> WITHIN <Lemma = lbs/el/κύριος>"
  • all get 215 results in 203 verses

The second group seems to have hits that more directly refer to Jesus as Lord, whereas the first group also includes somewhat indirect references (like Luke 1:43 "mother of my Lord"). Every hit in the second group is in the first group.

  1. Why do INTERSECTS and ANDEQUALS get different results?
  2. Why do the two WITHIN searches get different results (corresponding to the INTERSECTS and ANDEQUALS results)?
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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 1 2019 8:32 PM

This wiki page may help

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Brian LeStourgeon | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 1 2019 9:32 PM

Wow. That is very helpful. I thought I had read that page. It is still confusing. I'll have to work through several of the results to compare to the explanations. Thank you!

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 2 2019 1:44 AM

Brian LeStourgeon:
Why do INTERSECTS and ANDEQUALS get different results?

A <Person> match can involve several words e.g. "Lord Jesus", "Jesus Christ" whilst a Lemma is a single word. ANDEQUALS will only match if both sides/terms occupy the exact same location, so it will fail for "Lord Jesus Christ" at Ro 13:14, where each word is tagged for <Person Jesus>, whilst only "Lord" is tagged for the lemma κύριος. INTERSECTS will produce a match because there is an overlap, "Lord", between the two terms.

From that, it should be clear that <Person Jesus> is not wholly WITHIN  <Lemma = lbs/el/κύριος> at Ro 13:14, whereas the converse is true. Also, the lemma is WITHIN the single word for <Person Jesus> at places like Mt 8:2 (and vice-versa). Hence, you should always use  <Lemma = lbs/el/κύριος> WITHIN <Person Jesus>.

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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 2 2019 5:49 AM

Dave Hooton:

Brian LeStourgeon:
Why do INTERSECTS and ANDEQUALS get different results?

A <Person> match can involve several words e.g. "Lord Jesus", "Jesus Christ" whilst a Lemma is a single word. ANDEQUALS will only match if both sides/terms occupy the exact same location, so it will fail for "Lord Jesus Christ" at Ro 13:14, where each word is tagged for <Person Jesus>, whilst only "Lord" is tagged for the lemma κύριος. INTERSECTS will produce a match because there is an overlap, "Lord", between the two terms.

From that, it should be clear that <Person Jesus> is not wholly WITHIN  <Lemma = lbs/el/κύριος> at Ro 13:14, whereas the converse is true. Also, the lemma is WITHIN the single word for <Person Jesus> at places like Mt 8:2 (and vice-versa). Hence, you should always use  <Lemma = lbs/el/κύριος> WITHIN <Person Jesus>.

That so makes sense and totally clicked in my head.  Thanks.

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See also Phil's illustrated replies on this Faithlife post: https://faithlife.com/posts/1790222

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Brian LeStourgeon | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 2 2019 2:31 PM

That makes more sense. Ro 13:14 is a really good example, but I think it is because the phrase "Lord Jesus Christ" is tagged together as <Person Jesus> (not each word). When I search for <Person Jesus> in Ro 13, it only comes up as one hit, not three. This was the key (and I thank you for pointing it out) to me understanding what was going on.

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Brian LeStourgeon | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 2 2019 2:42 PM

All of these are helpful to clear it up. My confusion was thinking that I was creating a logical set of verses virtually created by searching for <Person Jesus> and comparing it to the logical set of verses virtually created by searching for the lemma:kurios. That is why all the examples of "within" this or "intersects" that were so confusing. But Logos is not comparing sets of verses where each parameter is true.

Its like Logos looks at each verse individually and asks, "Is there an overlap right here of the requested tags within this verse's tagged words and phrases, and does it match the stated parameters?" Now I understand that the "within" and "occupies the same place" language refers to words and phrases within the verse, and is not referring to the qualities of the verse itself.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 2 2019 5:41 PM

Brian LeStourgeon:
Ro 13:14 is a really good example, but I think it is because the phrase "Lord Jesus Christ" is tagged together as <Person Jesus> (not each word). When I search for <Person Jesus> in Ro 13, it only comes up as one hit, not three.

If you right-click each word, you will see (on the RHS) that each is tagged as "Jesus Person". Only then does the Search engine regard the phrase "Lord Jesus Christ" as a (single) match for <Person Jesus> i.e. if "Christ" was not tagged, "Lord Jesus" would be the match.

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