8.6 beta 1: Search option from selection menu runs Inline Search

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jun 7 2019 3:25 AM

I was surprised to see the search option from the new selection menu running an Inline search as opposed to opening a search panel.

I would, in general, think that opening a search panel is a better option.

Thoughts?

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 7 2019 3:35 AM

Graham Criddle:
I was surprised to see the search option from the new selection menu running an Inline search as opposed to opening a search panel.

Since I never use inline search, this option is a non-starter for me.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 7 2019 3:44 AM

It makes sense to me. If I'm searching on a word in a resource, then I think most often I want to see results within that resource. This is especially true in Bibles.

When I want to search through my whole library, that's not usually prompted by a word I've just read (unless I want a definition for that word, in which case I can double-click).

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 7 2019 4:00 AM

Mark Barnes:
It makes sense to me. If I'm searching on a word in a resource, then I think most often I want to see results within that resource.

To each his own. Personally, I would rather use "Search this Resource" from the context menu.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 7 2019 4:06 AM

Jack Caviness:

To each his own. Personally, I would rather use "Search this Resource" from the context menu.

To me, there are two great advantages of inline search for most searches. One is that you retain formatting, markup and interlinear etc. The other is simply speed. With the search panel I have click to read in context. With an inline search (when 'paragraph' is selected for the context), I can read all my search results in context.

(I do still use the search panel, especially when I'm expecting 100s of results that I need to scan through quickly, but inline works much better for me most of the time.)

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 7 2019 4:21 AM

I often have my Bible text that I am studying in linked to guides. Opening the search inline moves all the links while a search this resource in a search results window does not. I have another Bible text that is set for send link here. It is a workflow in almost all my layouts that is effective. As such I prefer that an inline search not be the default.

Additionally I often have a search pane open with send searches here selected. This allows me to determine where my searches go.

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 7 2019 8:34 AM

I can see how either way could be unworkable in certain setups or situations. I think I'll want the Inline route most of the time, but there will definitely be times that won't work. I would suggest having a split button with a disclosure triangle that lets you choose Inline or Search Panel, and make the selection "sticky". This would allow everyone "set it and forget it" either way, as well as provide the flexibility to choose differently based on the occasion.

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 7 2019 8:44 AM

I typically have several study layouts that include a search panel set to Send all Searches Here. I would prefer to have the selection search recognize that search setting and send it to that panel.

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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 7 2019 2:21 PM

Graham Criddle:

I was surprised to see the search option from the new selection menu running an Inline search as opposed to opening a search panel.

Just as a point of clarification, the search button:

  • always searches inline on short selections (1-5 words). 
  • on long selections in non-bibles, opens a search panel for "All Resources." 
  • on long selections in Bibles, is omitted on the Selection Menu to make room for other actions. 

Jack Caviness:
To each his own.

And there's the problem. :) I actually prefer a search panel, myself; but we are trying to pick defaults that we think most the people would benefit from. Keep in mind the goal of this feature is at least as much "discoverability of tools for new users" as it is "convenience for all users." Design goals are to keep it simple and smart; configurable was a secondary consideration for this iteration. 

Having said that, it might not be a bad idea to have the Search button respect "Send searches here" in all cases, which would provide a workaround for users who don't prefer to use Inline Search. 

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 7 2019 2:51 PM

Adam Borries (Faithlife):
Having said that, it might not be a bad idea to have the Search button respect "Send searches here" in all cases, which would provide a workaround for users who don't prefer to use Inline Search. 

This seems a sensible idea, that doesn't introduce any additional UI complexities.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 7 2019 5:31 PM

Adam Borries (Faithlife):

Just as a point of clarification, the search button:

  • always searches inline on short selections (1-5 words). 

Adam Borries (Faithlife):
we are trying to pick defaults that we think most the people would benefit from

Put me down who NEVER uses the inline form because of the limitations in seeing sufficient/relevant context.

Adam Borries (Faithlife):
Having said that, it might not be a bad idea to have the Search button respect "Send searches here" in all cases, which would provide a workaround for users who don't prefer to use Inline Search. 

An excellent idea

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 8 2019 1:00 AM

Adam Borries (Faithlife):

Just as a point of clarification, the search button:

  • always searches inline on short selections (1-5 words). 
  • on long selections in non-bibles, opens a search panel for "All Resources." 
  • on long selections in Bibles, is omitted on the Selection Menu to make room for other actions. 

Thanks, Adam, for that insight - appreciated

Adam Borries (Faithlife):
Having said that, it might not be a bad idea to have the Search button respect "Send searches here" in all cases, which would provide a workaround for users who don't prefer to use Inline Search. 

That sounds like a good plan.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 8 2019 1:04 AM

MJ. Smith:
Put me down who NEVER uses the inline form because of the limitations in seeing sufficient/relevant context.

I don't understand this with the range of "context" options available

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 8 2019 2:03 AM

Graham Criddle:
I don't understand this with the range of "context" options available

For Bibles with pericope titles it's not a big problem ... but in most cases I need to be able to see chapter titles, section titles, ... in order to place the location in the structure of the resource. I am someone who works from the top down to the details ... so I have to have the "top" visible. People who work from the details up likely have no problem.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 8 2019 6:02 AM

Adam Borries (Faithlife):
Having said that, it might not be a bad idea to have the Search button respect "Send searches here" in all cases,

I expected it to respect "Send searches here", but wasn't upset when it used Inline Search. So if you make that change, the destination is easily configurable.

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 8 2019 6:18 AM

Adam Borries (Faithlife):

Just as a point of clarification, the search button:

  • always searches inline on short selections (1-5 words). 
  • on long selections in non-bibles, opens a search panel for "All Resources." 
  • on long selections in Bibles, is omitted on the Selection Menu to make room for other actions. 

This is good to know and I would suggest having thorough documentation available before this goes golden.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 8 2019 2:23 PM

Adam Borries (Faithlife):
Having said that, it might not be a bad idea to have the Search button respect "Send searches here" in all cases, which would provide a workaround for users who don't prefer to use Inline Search. 

Excellent approach. I love it 

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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 11 2019 10:59 AM

Adam Borries (Faithlife):

the search button:

  • always searches inline on short selections (1-5 words). 
  • on long selections in non-bibles, opens a search panel for "All Resources." 
  • on long selections in Bibles, is omitted on the Selection Menu to make room for other actions. 

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Having said that, it might not be a bad idea to have the Search button respect "Send searches here" in all cases, which would provide a workaround for users who don't prefer to use Inline Search. 

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. Some new thoughts incoming.

Counter-proposal: Search button always opens a search panel. 

Reasons: 

  1. Keep it consistent. It should still be context-smart, but avoid surprises.
  2. Short selections on references will need to open a search panel.
  3. User feedback in this thread indicates it's the more common preference. 
  4. Preference for inline search could still be set through a new double- or triple-click setting (Options: Look up, Search, Search inline, Select text. This work is already done, shipping in beta 3). 

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 11 2019 11:09 AM

Adam Borries (Faithlife):
Counter-proposal: Search button always opens a search panel. 

The only thing I would counter this with is "discoverability" of inline search. I expect this feature to be relatively under-used... That said, I appreciate the consistency consideration.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 11 2019 2:38 PM

Adam Borries (Faithlife):
Counter-proposal: Search button always opens a search panel. 

Like it Yes

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