Library upgrades in Logos 8

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Rev. Donald Quigley | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jun 12 2019 12:43 PM

This is a gripe so please be patient with me.  I have been part of the Logos/Faithlife family for 8 years, back when it was Libronix.  I have slowly upgraded my product through the years longing to get to the Portfolio level and maybe even Collector's Edition.  1 year ago while still in Logos 7 I made that coveted leap to Portfolio paying $1,100 for that library upgrade and thinking I had reached a long-awaited goal.  Imagine my surprise when I upgraded to Logos 8 to find out that no I haven't reached that goal because my Portfolio Library is now only a minuscule fraction of an actual Portfolio Library.  Now I would need to spend more than twice what I already spent on a library I  thought I already owned (I realize that the new Logos 8 Portfolio Library as 2850 more resources).  Never in all of the upgrades (both software and library) that I have done throughout the years have I seen massive library upgrades when moving to a new software upgrade.  In fact, I feel like I actually have taken several steps back because now I would even have to pay more for a Silver Upgrade. Psychologically I would have been happier if you had created new library levels between Portfolio and Collectors because I wouldn't feel like I am paying again for something I thought I already owned. For the record, in spite of my frustration, I will be making that leap again today for the increased Portfolio Library. I am a prolific user of Faithlife products in my ministry using Logos, Faithlife Connect and Proclaim Church Presentation Software.  So know that this gripe comes from a faithful and longtime Faithlife customer who advocates whole-heartedly for your products.

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 12 2019 1:01 PM

Upgrade if the content is useful to you would be my advice, don't get hung up on the names, they are just there to differentiate the current version packages, not to be some sort of lifelong achievement badge.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 12 2019 1:03 PM

Rev. Donald Quigley:
1 year ago while still in Logos 7 I made that coveted leap to Portfolio paying $1,100 for that library upgrade and thinking I had reached a long-awaited goal.

 FL offers the software for free, but stays in business by having users pay for some new features and through the sale of additional libraries. 

Rev. Donald Quigley:
(I realize that the new Logos 8 Portfolio Library as 2850 more resources).  Never in all of the upgrades (both software and library) that I have done throughout the years have I seen massive library upgrades when moving to a new software upgrade. 

These changes happen every couple of years. It is not new. It is how FL stays in business. 

Rev. Donald Quigley:
In fact, I feel like I actually have taken several steps back because now I would even have to pay more for a Silver Upgrade.

One of my pet peeves is FL's nomenclature. When you say that you own "portfolio," that really doesn't mean anything. In actuality, you purchased the "portfolio library" offered at the time.

Rev. Donald Quigley:
Psychologically I would have been happier if you had created new library levels between Portfolio and Collectors because I wouldn't feel like I am paying again for something I thought I already owned.

FL does their best not to charge you twice. If someone wanted to purchase the L8 Portfolio package today, not having made any previous purchases, it would cost them $4,979.99. 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 12 2019 1:17 PM

I agree with the good reverend. And I agree with Alabama.

But I agree even more with me ... I bet I've purchased a bunch of portfolios (value) and have nothing to show for it (except hand-picked books).  FL doesn't recognize when you spend a lot ... just not their fancy named packages. When someone asked me which Logos I have, I have to say "the beginner's OL" (from Libby days). It's so deflating.


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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 12 2019 4:47 PM

Setting the right goals might do the trick. "Owning Portfolio" is easily defined, and easy to be working toward. However, as new versions of Logos are released, that goal keeps increasing, and at some point, even without adding a lot more benefit to the library.

A much better goal would be "owning the features and resources that I need for my work". Now this is not easily defined, and requires research, comparing base packages, library expansions, feature expansions, and individual resources. The advantage would be spending money on the things you actually need and are likely to use.

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 12 2019 6:07 PM

I think the OP is distressed at seeming to shoot at a moving target. I think I went with Portfolio around Logos 5 or 6. I then bit again here at Logos 8. For the life of me, I can't remember even really wanting Portfolio the first time, but this time it was a no-brainer and I am truly glad I did.

Focus on the resources you get and don't pay a whole lot of attention to the packaging name. 

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Richard Villanueva | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 12 2019 8:15 PM

Rev. Donald Quigley:
Now I would need to spend more than twice what I already spent on a library I  thought I already owned (I realize that the new Logos 8 Portfolio Library as 2850 more resources).  Never in all of the upgrades (both software and library) that I have done throughout the years have I seen massive library upgrades when moving to a new software upgrade.  In fact, I feel like I actually have taken several steps back because now I would even have to pay more for a Silver Upgrade. Psychologically I would have been happier if you had created new library levels between Portfolio and Collectors because I wouldn't feel like I am paying again for something I thought I already owned.

When people ask "What package do you have", I've often either told them the number of resources I have or say that I have a bit of everything. There were a couple versions where the names of the levels have changed (the colors?), not sure if that would become more of a challenge if today's L8 Portfolio became L9 Titanium/Panther/Neptune or whatever. 

Rev. Donald Quigley:
For the record, in spite of my frustration, I will be making that leap again today for the increased Portfolio Library

Congrats on the new resources! I've always gotten a kick out of seeing what the change is between my current package and the new version - it tells me that FL is shuffling things around and I have a chance at dynamic pricing. I know I've always thought it would be cool to purchase a Collectors Library, but I keep my feet touching the ground when I remind myself I need specific resources, not library titles. And there are some that would get me what I want for much less than a full-blown Collectors.

I would think that when it comes to naming these Libraries, it's all marketing and psychological angling - Silver/Bronze/Gold... so forth. Just seeing the "Ultimate" makes me think about how I want that (cue Smeagol gifs).

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 12 2019 11:36 PM

Rev. Donald Quigley:
Now I would need to spend more than twice what I already spent on a library I  thought I already owned (I realize that the new Logos 8 Portfolio Library as 2850 more resources).

Welcome Big Smile

Combining Logos 7 and 8 Portfolio packages results in a library larger than either individual package, sometimes substantially so.

Personally dreaming of About for Logos Bible Software having a gauge to show library sizing with many increments from small to super-sized (OR basic to ultimate+). My own library is less than 28 % of what Faithlife Corporation offers for purchase.

Keep Smiling Smile

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David Betts | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 13 2019 6:08 AM

May I humbly caution that we worship the Creator, Abba Father, rather than this creation called "Logos~LIfe."

There used to be numbers, like Win 3.1, then it went to years, such as 95, 98. Then came M.E., XP, now back to numbers 8, skip 9 to 10.

Suggestion: how about things like Bronze 7, 8; or Silver 4, 5; or Platinum 2016, 2018 - in order to see that things progress, update, upgrade, and are not static. I had Office 2010, upgraded to 2013, now 2016. Now 2019 is out and I'm satisfied with what I have and what it can do.

I am very close to $10K in Logos, but much of that came through PrePubs and Comm~Pricing, so it matters not that I “only have” L8 Bronze. But I am so very happy with what I can do - in fact I am regularly blown away by Logos. [Thank you Logos!!!]

I remember back to the old DOS days – a 10 meg hard drive, 640K memory, floppy disks, no mouse or speakers, a monochrome monitor, and all I had was KJV and NIV ["BibleSoft"]. That's it! I remember one day I just bowed my head in appreciation to what I had. It was so amazing. The day came where I had to choose to stay with what I had or migrate to this new thing called Logos, that was coming out on the new Win 3. I am SO very glad that somehow, I realized that the future was with Logos on Windoz.

Paul told Timothy to "do the work of an evangelist." Perhaps he didn't have the title, but he could "do the work of." Today many want a title of some achievement, but I care not about titles, I just want to "do the work of." So even if someone is not evangelist, or prophet, or apostle, etc, focus on "do the work of" and let our Master sort out the titles.

We must grow from perpetual infants βρέφος brephos on milk (1Pe2.2), to full grown sons (Ro8.18) on solid food (KJV 'meat') - those who are about The Father's business.

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 13 2019 6:43 AM

Donald, I made my first Logos purchase in 2008.  When the first upgrade came out after that, I too was a bit frustrated (and confused) by the naming conventions used in not only the library names, but also the feature set names.  But as has already been noted, the names are simply a way of distinguishing between a wide range of resource and feature sets offerred with each new release of Logos.

I have since learned to use the names simply as labels to group the resource and feature sets for comparison purposes.  I don't really care what they call them.  I've never aspired to own a particular library "level" unless it had enough resources I felt I could benefit from at a price I was willing to pay.  I've purchased multiple Bronze, Silver, and Gold packages within the Anglican, Bible Study, Methodist & Wesleyan, Pentecostal & Charismatic, Reformed, and Standard categories, simply because they offerred resources I didn't already own that I felt could be beneficial.  So it never bothered me for example, to buy a Gold library for say Logos 5, then buy another Gold library for subsequent releases of Logos, nor to buy a Gold library for one tradition followed by a Bronze library for another tradition.  Each one offerred new resources that added value to my library.  That's been my only concern.

Of course, I've bought many, many, individual resources and resource sets (e.g. commentary sets) not included in the official Logos libraries noted above.  So if someone were to ask me "which level of Logos do you have?", I guess I'd have to say, the Logos 4,5,6,7,8 Hodgepodge Level.  Smile

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 13 2019 7:47 AM

Wait a minute, doesn’t the title ”Reverend” apply only to God in the Christian Bible (Psalm 111:9)? Where does this Reverend so and so that applies to people come from?

I’m just curious and since you are a “Reverend” maybe you can shed some light on the history/background of when the word started applying to people and not just God.

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DAL

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Jarred Edgecombe | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 13 2019 9:22 AM

I ignore the package names and only look at features then decide what I want. I don't care about package names.

Labels are only to differentiate different groups of resources.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 13 2019 9:43 AM

As much as folks eschew the names, the marketers aren't completely naive. It's even more pronounced with the automobile. Folks do value what they value. Pretty common.


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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 14 2019 5:11 AM

DAL:

I don't want to be crude toward other traditions, but technically the gentleman could use the address 'Saint' (eg the saints at Corinth). I've actually never read a discussion of where that came from. The tradition I grew up in refused titles, both before and after, connoting rank. They insisted on 'preacher', not the suspicious 'pastor'. We have a pastor, and I refused to call him pastor ... he smiled.


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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 14 2019 7:42 AM

Denise:

DAL:

I don't want to be crude toward other traditions, but technically the gentleman could use the address 'Saint' (eg the saints at Corinth). I've actually never read a discussion of where that came from. The tradition I grew up in refused titles, both before and after, connoting rank. They insisted on 'preacher', not the suspicious 'pastor'. We have a pastor, and I refused to call him pastor ... he smiled.

You just gotta take everything with a grain of salt these days 👍😁👌

DAL

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