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Derek Browning | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Jul 21 2019 7:47 PM

Can someone educate me on the differences between a "faithlife e-books" resource and a logos resource?  I'm happy to buy either, but wonder what differences exist, and what happens if/when logos decides to transition a faithlife ebook to logos (or if that even happens).

*I'm sure this has been discussed on a dozen forum posts, but my searches were not finding them.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 22 2019 1:15 AM

Derek Browning:
Can someone educate me on the differences between a "faithlife e-books" resource and a logos resource?

Faithlife eBooks are automatically produced from an ePub source, much like a PB is compiled. In course of this production process, bible references get detected and made active links. There's no further tagging (such as milestones, books referenced etc like you would expect for a Logos resource). The automated tagging may not pick up all bible references, or get it wrong in case of incomplete references. All eBooks are of type:monograph with no Logos index, no subject metadata and no page numbers. 

This all means that in many cases, you won't recognize the difference between Logos editions and eBook editions, whereas in others you might feel the frustration of reading a kindle-like ebook which just isn't the same. Daily calendar devotionals will not have a date index, bible commentaries won't scroll along your bible etc, because they are just monographs.

However, Faithlife typically does make sure that we don't have two editions to choose from, a book comes either into the eBook store or into Logos. Moreover, it often is not a decision of Faithlife. Some publishers (e.g. Abingdon) only want to sell through the eBook store, even if it's expensive scholarly books, others prefer this route for a number of books. The production capability to create the more elaborate Logos resources is limited, so we an be glad for all books in eBook format because they are part of our library like the Logos editions and otherwise simply wouldn't be there. In many cases it's also a chance to get great resources at a great price.  

 

Derek Browning:
what happens if/when logos decides to transition a faithlife ebook to logos (or if that even happens).
This happens, but very rarely. In this case the owners of the eBook edition get a free license to the Logos edition - this doesn't take away the eBook since you may have highlights and other notes associated to that. 

Hope this helps. 

Please come back in case something was not clear or you need aditional information.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 22 2019 1:17 AM

Books are put through an automatic converter that takes a publisher's digital files (the one they use for Kindle editions, etc.), and creates Logos compatible version with no human input. The converter recognises most Bible references, but not any other references. There won't be links to other resources. There will likely be no page numbers and certainly no other milestones. The formatting might be a bit wonky (slightly large fonts, uneven line-spacing, etc.). Typos or incorrect metadata won't be corrected. There'll be a TOC, but probably only at one level. All books are monographs, and won't have any additional tagging to make them useful in other tools. Pricing will be controlled by the publisher.

Logos resources are hand-compiled from either scans or from publisher's digital files. Links and references to other resources will be added by the editor. Page numbers will be present. Formatting will be tidied up to properly match the print edition. Typos and other errors may be corrected in the future. The TOC should be complete. If appropriate, additional tagging or metadata will be added to make them integrate with (e.g.) Factbook, Guides, Systematic Theology tools, etc. Pricing will normally be controlled by Faithlife.

Where an eBook version are transitioned to Logos editions, Faithlife effectively start from scratch and produce a second edition. Owners of the eBook edition are then gifted a copy of the new edition and end up with both in their library. Notes/highlighting from the old edition won't get transferred.

Here's a screenshot of one book, the Logos edition on the left, and the eBook edition on the right:

The two resources aren't from the same print edition, but ignoring those differences, on the right, note the incomplete TOC, missing page numbers, the missing Bible verse link (because it's not explicit enough to be captured by the automatic converter), and the inferior typography.

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Ray Call | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2019 11:47 AM

Thanks for the great explanation! If the eBook version resource from Faithlife does not list page numbers, then is it impossible to find what page a quote or selection would be from? This would be helpful if someone were writing a term paper and needed to cite sources and page numbers. Kindle and Logos would have page numbers, but what about the eBooks on Faithlife?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2019 12:07 PM

Ray Call:
Thanks for the great explanation! If the eBook version resource from Faithlife does not list page numbers, then is it impossible to find what page a quote or selection would be from? This would be helpful if someone were writing a term paper and needed to cite sources and page numbers. Kindle and Logos would have page numbers, but what about the eBooks on Faithlife?

If the eBook version does not list page numbers, it's impossible from within Logos to find what page a quote is from. It is sometimes possible – but a hassle – to paste the quote into google and find the answer in Google Books or on Amazon See Inside.

That said, nowadays, schools should have rules for citing electronic resources, so it should be still possible to cite the resource, even without a page number.

(PS Kindle books often don't have page numbers. If not you have to cite the 'location' instead, or simply omit the page number.)

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Ray Call | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2019 12:10 PM

Thanks. Good answer.

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Myke Harbuck | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 13 2019 12:13 PM

Mark Barnes:
That said, nowadays, schools should have rules for citing electronic resources, so it should be still possible to cite the resource, even without a page number.

Correct. Most citation standards (Chicago, MLA, etc) permit citing of electronic sources without a page number, and permit the use of n.p. (need page) when the author still desires to include the page detail in the citation.

Myke Harbuck
Lead Pastor, www.ByronCity.Church
Adjunct Professor, Georgia Military College

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