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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 11 2010 9:54 PM

Shmuel Birnbaum:
I just began wondering whether they have a theological board that oversees what products are produced and promoted.
No.. we publish what our users ask for and where the demand lies.  

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 11 2010 9:57 PM

Oh, I almost forgot this massive set from Charles Finney... by no stretch a Calvinist.

Charles Finney Collection (6 Vols.)

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 11 2010 10:00 PM

Joe Miller:
The Century of the Holy Spirit : 100 Years of Pentecostal and Charismatic Renewal, 1901-2001

Wow, Joe, how have you found this one? I never knew it exists in Logos. Thank you Yes

EDIT: downloading the resource Smile thanks again.

Bohuslav

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 11 2010 10:04 PM

I am firmly in the evangelical  Wesleyan-Arminian theological camp.  I am a United Methodist pastor and graduate of Asbury Theological Seminary.

However, I benefit from many Calvinist theologians.  I love Spurgeon and even benefit from Calvin's commentaries.  Martyn Lloyd-Jones is another of my favorites.  I can sift out the Calvinist theology and benefit greatly from the insights of these men of God.  I hold to what is good and let the other go.  I have more in common with a Calvinist who loves God's Word than a Wesleyan-Arminian who is liberal.

There are a number of great biblical scholars of the  Wesleyan-Arminian persuasion in Logos.  John Oswalt's commentaries on Isaiah in the NICOT series, for example.  He also is in the Cornerstone Commentary set.  Bill Arnold also has some great stuff in Logos.  They both are great evangelical scholars of the Wesleyan-Arminian school.

Wesley's works are available, but they are the old Jackson series.  I do wish the new more scholarly series edited by Albert Outler would be released by Logos.  That would be a tremendous asset for those of us in the Wesleyan-Arminian camp.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Shmuel Birnbaum | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 11 2010 10:08 PM

Thank you Joe. I appreciate hearing this.

I have thoroughly enjoyed my experience with Logos since I purchased it in August. I just started noticing all these new items by the Reformed side. I am not sorry that I brought up the subject, but even more grateful for the clarification.

As for charismatic publications, I have grown used to not even expecting material on this subject! Thanks for letting me know.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 12 2010 11:38 AM

Bohuslav Wojnar:

Joe Miller:
The Century of the Holy Spirit : 100 Years of Pentecostal and Charismatic Renewal, 1901-2001

Wow, Joe, how have you found this one? I never knew it exists in Logos. Thank you Yes

EDIT: downloading the resource Smile thanks again.

I bought it many years ago when I was researching for my books on early Pentecostalism and Baptism in the Holy Spirit.  

Blessings

 

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 12 2010 11:42 AM

Shmuel Birnbaum:
As for charismatic publications, I have grown used to not even expecting material on this subject! Thanks for letting me know.
If you have specific suggestions, use the email I listed above.  

Personally, I would like to have the works of Wigglesworth and Palmer along with some others from the late 1800's early 1900's.  Edward Iring's stuff from would also be good. I think they are good source documents for study and research.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 12 2010 1:02 PM

Joe Miller:
we publish what our users ask for and where the demand lies

I am not "Pentecostal" or "Charismatic" but I really like this one: 

It is hard to find outside of Swaggart's website. I believe Jimmy is Assembly of God. I like his singing too. Coffee

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 12 2010 1:36 PM

Matthew C Jones:
I believe Jimmy is Assembly of God. I like his singing too.

Jimmy Swaggart WAS Assemblies of God. He is not anymore from obvious reasons. Yes, I liked his singing too.

Bohuslav

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Michael Lyman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 12 2010 2:44 PM

Morris Proctor is a Free-Will Baptist and he openly and often endorses the works of Robert Morgan , another free-will baptist, at Camp Logos, so I don't think their publishing leans either way. They would like to have every book they can possibly have in their format, it makes good business sense. They have a lot of Fruchtenbaum's books as well as some other sovereign grace Jews - Jesus, Peter, James, John, David, Isaiah and Paul to name a few... Surprise

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Locksmythe | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 12 2010 6:51 PM

If you do a search of either "Ariel Ministries" or "Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum" you will find one of the greatest collections available. His writing is clear, concise, and understandable for the tremendous scholar that he is. He's been a friend and mentor for over 10 years and I continue to learn more and more about the Scriptures from a 1st century Jewish perspective.

Hope this helps.

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Shmuel Birnbaum | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 13 2010 7:00 AM

May His sovereign grace enable us to understand Paul's words when he said, now we see through a glass darkly and that we know in part!

My goal is to learn from every stream (as much as I can). However, the goal of establishing our own theology is a life long pursuit.

Thanks for the input.

 

 

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Shmuel Birnbaum | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 13 2010 7:02 AM

Dear George,

I have known about Arnold Fructenbaum for years and appreciative his contributions. Thanks

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David Emme | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 29 2010 2:55 AM

Shmuel Birnbaum:
While I am in favor of reading books written by someone like Naiselli, is Logos also promoting others books that include the Arminian-Weslyean- free will emphasis?

 

I would say probably quite a bit does lean to Calvi nism but not overly publishing one viewpoint and not the other. Have some works as Clark and in the ma7ybe last 6 months, they came with a commentary set from Methodist-probably the main body. For me, I am whyat some call a no point Calcinist if you go by what others define as Calvinism-mainly by their opponents(do not believe Limited Atonement and really the ones who say this is not real Calvinism is non calvinist) I do enjoy thinking and what not as for me-as a Washer fan who basically is a Southern Baptist Calviist-one of the things he encourages is read the Wesley's and Whitfields. We migh not all agree, but even in the differances-if you truely love God-he will use the not as heretical as people think resources.

 

Not sure if this was from you on Keswick, while looking at that book, I wander how many realise there has been quite a few very popular(but dead) who believed in Keswick sanctification. Adrew Murray  is the first I think. Been a believer of this doctrine for about seven years now. The description in that book makes assumptions(havoing not read the boook or own it yet.) I will say this, first, never believed in a second blessing. On the other hand, you do need a second blessing to understand this doctrine and for me-the second blessing is whern I pray for God to teach me the bible. I think quite a few woulod see this as appealing to Calvinists and non Calvinist.

Also, am not trying to debate or put others down so when writing of a belief-this strictly based on what Logos offers.

God bless

Dave Emme

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Roger Feenstra | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 29 2010 7:38 AM

Shmuel Birnbaum:
Little by little, I have been noticing the slant of the program is toward the Reformed-Calvinist theological postion.

If you use the word "slant" as a viewpoint of Logos, I'm not sure that's the case.  I would use the word more in the sense that many of their titles are weighted toward a Reformed viewpoint.  In the end Logos is a bookstore.  They need to sell books.  I am certain that they will sell what their customers desire (so long as the title is orthodox in nature).

Shmuel Birnbaum:
I am a spirit filled Jewish believer in my Messiah and have recently redicated myself to ardent study

You are  already aware of these titles, but others may want to check out some of the great works of my friend Arnold Fruchtenbaum.

http://www.logos.com/search?q=fruchtenbaum

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 29 2010 8:09 AM

Shmuel,

Some resources people have NOT mentioned that are not so Calvinist are:

The Socio-Rhetorical Commentary series.  I can't vouch for the whole series, but Ben Witherington III, a major contributor, is Wesleyan, I believe.

Also, a "non-Calvinist" and clearly communicating theologian is Dr. Jack Cottrell.  His "The Faith Once for All" is a systematic theology, and Logos also has his two-volume series on Romans.

 

Blessings to you, brother!

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Garth Aderholt | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 30 2012 12:53 PM

Just wondering which prevails? The "users ask" or the users "demand"? My reasoning is that as the reformed users increase, the demand shifts increasingly toward reformed doctrine. I do not know what products the users have been suggesting, but it definately seems that those who are asking for free will/choice, unlimited atonement, grace toward all men... and/or dispensational, pre-tribulational theolygy, texts and authors are not making the list very often. especially in the area of Logos theology choices. Does this suggest that if the "users ask" is not desired by the majority of "users" , that the "users ask"  will not be granted?

I am not saying that Logos has been unfair, only noting that the as the user base changes, the demand changes, and those of us users in the minority could suggest a product, and their "ask" will not be a "demand" by majority of users and thus be ignored. I do not know this to be true, just wondering.

I would like to suggest a few Text books I have been looking for that I have not been able to find compatible with Logos. "Basic Bible Interpretation" by Roy B. Zuck; "Basic Theology" Charles Ryrie; "Lectures in Sysematic Theology" by Henry C. Thiesen. Norman Geisler's four volume theological Set.

Logos has provided me with so many of the books, rescources and authors that I desire to have in my library. Just want to find some more of the authors and books I read and study.

Oh, one other question. What is up with the addition of the Catholic books, rescources, theology and teachings being added to Logos? what is the Logos boards justification of placing the Catholic doctrine and teachings into the pool with the rest of the Logos rescources?

Not sure you wanted all of this, but hope you can help me understand,

Garth

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 30 2012 1:36 PM

Garth Aderholt:
I would like to suggest a few Text books I have been looking for that I have not been able to find compatible with Logos. "Basic Bible Interpretation" by Roy B. Zuck; "Basic Theology" Charles Ryrie; "Lectures in Sysematic Theology" by Henry C. Thiesen. Norman Geisler's four volume theological Set.

Check out the links below for a couple of these...

http://www.logos.com/product/5364/charles-ryrie-legacy-collection#003

http://www.logos.com/product/3598/systematic-theology

Garth Aderholt:
Oh, one other question. What is up with the addition of the Catholic books, rescources, theology and teachings being added to Logos?

This is part of Logos' move into the broader Christian community, whilst not Catholic myself I welcome this move and have purchased some of the materials which I find helpful because they encourage me to look at the Bible from a different perspective. It's also interesting to see how much did not change with the reformation...

God Bless

Graham

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 30 2012 1:44 PM

Garth Aderholt:
"Basic Bible Interpretation" by Roy B. Zuck;

Don't believe they have this one, but see Roy Zuck Vital Issues Series (12 vols.)

Garth Aderholt:
Sysematic Theology" by Henry C. Thiesen.

Lectures in Systematic Theology

Believe Graham Owen has supplied the other links

One that I recently purchased

Charles Ryrie Collection (8 vols.)—Not the same as the one linked by Graham

And Basic Theology—that's the one by Ryrie

 

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 30 2012 2:00 PM

The price for the Catholic Foundations Library is high, considering that much of the content is available free online. The higher Libraries have a lot of content and authors I would not like to read - so I wouldn't choose those.

I've started a thread about selecting bundles, base-packages and individual titles: http://www.christianforums.com/t7644634/

I'm not a member of any church, due to that I was an atheist for a while and became Christian again 1¼ years ago. Theologically, I believe in some things that the Roman Catholic Church teaches, but there are things that I don't believe. I haven't started out as a Catholic Catechumen because I have a somewhat long way to Church, and because I don't like too basic teaching.

I don't find the Roman Catholic teachings to be contradictory to the Bible, and I'm doing my studies in-depth. Many think that Roman Catholic teaching often builds on books of the Bible that weren't in wide use from the earliest times of the history of Christianity, but that isn't true. Also, some think that the Roman Catholic Church has uncritically adopted theologicy from all parts of the Bible, but that isn't true, for example the RCC doesn't believe in prayer for the dead, found in 2 Maccabeans.

Garth Aderholt:
Oh, one other question. What is up with the addition of the Catholic books, rescources, theology and teachings being added to Logos? what is the Logos boards justification of placing the Catholic doctrine and teachings into the pool with the rest of the Logos rescources?


They are not putting that much effort into it, as they haven't release the 1989 Revised English Bible (yet?).
Graham Owen:
This is part of Logos' move into the broader Christian community, whilst not Catholic myself I welcome this move and have purchased some of the materials which I find helpful because they encourage me to look at the Bible from a different perspective. It's also interesting to see how much did not change with the reformation...
I have also bought books by protestants/reformed authors, such as G. B. Caird (Logos hasn't provided anything by Caird), John Bowden (a printed book, he was the editor, not available in Logos), Richard Bauckham. Caird was Reformed (You can find information about him on Wikipedia) so I disagree that Logos is slanted towards Calvinism/Reformed Churches.

Richard Bauckham is a good author because he provides references to the wide OT Apocrypha (including 4 Esdras), Jewish Pseudepigrapha, Dead Sea Scrolls, Hellenistic Jewish authors, Targums and Rabbinic litterature, Other ancient litterature, and Early Christian litterature. I got the book I have cheap a year ago, now it's turned expensive, the book is from 1999 and is right now #1,161,631 on Amazon bester seller list, so I doubt Logos is going to release it as they seem focused only on more recent books and commentary sets and old classic books.

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