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NNic | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Aug 8 2019 10:56 AM

What's the best way to do a search of specific Hebrew phrases in the first five books, to find out how often they occur?

When reading a textbook you will often come across a claim that a specific Hebrew phrase occurs a specific number of times. How best to verify using Logos 8?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 8 2019 12:55 PM

Bible word study? 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 8 2019 3:26 PM

NNic:
What's the best way to do a search of specific Hebrew phrases in the first five books, to find out how often they occur?

Copy the phrase from a Hebrew bible if necessary. In the Search box, first type two sets of quotes "", then paste the Hebrew between these quotes e.g. "יְהוָ֥ה אֱלֹהִ֖ים".  Run the search on a Hebrew bible, because an English reverse interlinear will often have a different word order.

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NNic | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2019 2:35 AM

Thank you

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NNic | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2019 2:40 AM

Dave, most books use Hebrew transliteration of phrases.

Does that mean you have to convert from transliteration to Hebrew before you can do a search?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2019 3:51 AM

NNic:
Does that mean you have to convert from transliteration to Hebrew before you can do a search?

Yes. If you know the source of the phrase, copy the manuscript text from the Hebrew bible you will search. Otherwise, I hope the transliteration format can be easily converted to Hebrew.

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NNic | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2019 4:07 AM

Hi again Dave

Thanks for your help.

One last question: What happens if it's not immediately clear what the Hebrew text reference is? I would assume I would have to do a search in Text Converter to get the Hebrew and then do a search in Hebrew as you suggested. It just seems a bit cumbersome and would be great if the search could be streamlined a bit.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2019 7:26 AM

NNic:
I would assume I would have to do a search in Text Converter to get the Hebrew and then do a search in Hebrew as you suggested.

You can't convert from transliterated text to original language text. There is too much variability in transliteration schemes for this to be effective. If you're having trouble with a particular textbook, paste the textbook's claim, and we might be able to help with a worked example for you.

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NNic | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2019 7:54 AM

Hi Mark

Check out page headed:

2. TERMINOLOGY

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002BD2UWA/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2019 8:33 AM

NNic:
2. TERMINOLOGY

First, in that very day:

  1. Search for that phrase in Top Bibles. No occurrences in the Pentateuch and only one outside: Psalm 146:4.
  2. Check the reverse interlinear to see if the phrase is be'esem hayyom hazzeh. (Remember in a reverse interlinear the word order might be different.) But Psalm 146:4 is a different phrase so we try again.
  3. Expand the search to All Bibles and restrict to the Pentateuch. First result is Genesis 7:13 in an obscure translation: The Holy Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments; Translated Literally from the Original Tongues.
  4. Check a modern reverse interlinear (e.g. ESV) to see if that's the phrase we're looking for. It is! Highlight the phrase in the English version.
  5. Open the Lexham Hebrew Bible. The same phrase should be highlighted in the LHB. (This didn't work for me if I included the word 'on' in my selection. I don't know why. Perhaps a bug. If the selection doesn't work, you should still be able to work out which Hebrew words to select. Use the orange numbers in the reverse interlinear to give you the Hebrew word order. In this case, you know that the last word you're looking for is word 6: זֶּה)
  6. Right-click on the selected text, and make sure that Selection is selected on the context menu (on the left side in the beta, the right-side on other versions).
  7. Choose Search Inline or Search Bible. You can add an English translation to the Search results if you like.

PS — If you perform your search in the Anderson-Forbes Bible, and do an analysis search, you can find out which 'source' the editors placed each result it. You'll see that differs markedly from the book you cited.

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NNic | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2019 9:02 AM

Thank you Mark for your help. Greatly appreciated :) 

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NNic | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2019 10:50 AM

Hi again Mark

Have sat down with my laptop and tried to follow your steps but to no avail. Can you possibly further clarify 5,6,and 7. Is it only that one window 'Search' that you're working from or do you mean to open up a new window in a new tab with esv?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 9 2019 11:01 AM

To search for a Hebrew phrase, you need to select text in the Hebrew Bible. The problem is that unless you know Hebrew, it can be difficult to find that text.

I'm suggesting that you select text in an English version so that you can see the corresponding selection in the Hebrew Bible. To do that, you'll need both versions open at the same time. Once you select the English text, you'll know which words to select in the Hebrew Bible, but you will actually need to select those words yourself. So, the steps are:

  1. Open both the ESV and LHB to Genesis 7:13.
  2. Select "On the very same day" in the ESV, and look at which words are highlighted in the LHB. You'll need the "Corresponding Selection" visual filter turned on (it is by default).
  3. Select the Hebrew words that were highlighted in the LHB, and right-click on them.
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