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Dan Thomas Tveita | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Sep 8 2019 4:11 PM

Hi,

I'm just wondering if it is possible to have a personal book —in my case a custom 246-word Hebrew-Norwegian lexicon — appear in the Bible Word Study window? Or having the entry in my personal book appear  when the book is in the relevant Link Set, and so on. Just basically looking for ways to make the most of my my tiny lexicon. I love and appreciate having it in Logos in the first place. But being able to achieve some of the aforementioned would be fantastic.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 8 2019 11:20 PM

Hi Dan,

yes, I think this is possible. You would need to use the appropriate milestones (see https://wiki.logos.com/Personal_Books#Milestones ) and compile the PB as type:lexicon in order to work. This process would be quite similar to what is explained in https://wiki.logos.com/Building_a_Dictionary_PB 

hope this helps!

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Dan Thomas Tveita | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 9 2019 1:08 AM

Thx! I have actually read those articles and about milestones — but Im still clueless as to how to make milestones in this particular case; hebrew lemmas.

Any pointers on how that syntax looks like would be much appreciated!

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 9 2019 1:51 AM

Dan Thomas Tveita:
how to make milestones in this particular case; hebrew lemmas.

looks like this:

[[@Headword+el:λ蠈γος]] λ蠈γος  - word

just with +he for Hebrew instead of +el - Logos will then produce Greek and Hebrew headword indexes, as you can see when you compile my quick test PB attached below.

Note that the RTL of the Hebrew word messed up with the forum editor, so I pasted the Greek example syntax - both work, but I felt more confident starting out the example with Greek, since I don't do Hebrew, I took the one example lemma from a recent forum discussion.

 

8863.My greek lexicon.docx


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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 9 2019 2:35 AM

NB.Mick:
compile the PB as type:lexicon

Unfortunately, this isn't available as far as I can see.

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Dan Thomas Tveita | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 9 2019 3:01 AM

Thanks NB.Mick: It works — and it works so well! Except now I wonder if it is possible to make the definition/translation appear in the Bible Word Study window as well (see image below) — and if its possible to define which words to appear..?

If not possible, this still works great. Makes me appreciate Logos even more 馃檶

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 9 2019 3:06 AM

Reuben Helmuth:

NB.Mick:
compile the PB as type:lexicon

Unfortunately, this isn't available as far as I can see.

It is for me (Logos 8.8 Beta 2, but I don't think there were any changes to the PB tool recently) - see screenshot.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 9 2019 3:27 AM

You make Headwords and Hebrew is quite difficult to format. An entry would look like:

Normal 0 false false false EN-AU X-NONE HE

Normal 0 false false false EN-AU X-NONE HE

[[@Headword+he:讗直讬指诇]] 讗直讬指诇                    ---->  Heading 4

(y膩l): n.masc.; strength       ---> Normal style

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I used Times New Roman font. Your Hebrew will come from one Morphology, including homonyms**.  If you get the lemma format in a Morph Search e.g. lemma:讗直讬指诇  then copy :讗直讬指诇  to paste into [[@Headword+he]]   

Your PB will have language Norwegian, type Lexicon, and the +he specifies a Hebrew headword for the compiler.

I prioritized my Hebrew-English PB, and it worked as you would expect in the Context menu for lookups & Bible Word Study. You might have problems with Norwegian text.

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** a homonym for strength in Logos Hebrew Morphology is formatted 讗值诇:4 in Morph Search, so I think this is the format for your lexicon.

Seeing NB Mick's example, you need to experiment to see which format works best.

Normal 0 false false false EN-AU X-NONE HE

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 9 2019 3:45 AM

Dan Thomas Tveita:
Thanks NB.Mick: It works — and it works so well!

Great to hear! Smile

Dan Thomas Tveita:
I wonder if it is possible to make the definition/translation appear in the Bible Word Study window as well 

Yes it is - through the field specification for gloss.

The updated syntax now reads like in this example: 

[[@Headword+el:峒γ维πη]] 峒γ维πη – {{field-on:gloss}} love {{field-off:gloss}}

Dan Thomas Tveita:
and if its possible to define which words to appear

yes - I did this for pistis in my Test PB 

Interestingly, not all of Logos' standard lexicons produce glosses for the BWS (see TDNT, Vines, MM), even some expensive ones like NIDOTTE on the Hebrew side.

EDIT: and Dave is right, Hebrew is tricky and you may need to experiment a bit, especially with Homonyms. 

EDIT2: had to play around a bit to get shub shown in the BWS (copied from Logos, took out spaces), see updated PB source, now also with a bit of transliteration: 8741.My greek lexicon.docx 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 9 2019 9:14 AM

FYI: I linked this thread from the wiki as an example how to create a PB lexicon (don't remember anybody posting one before in the files forum - if so, please inform)  

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Dan Thomas Tveita | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 9 2019 9:16 AM

Thanks both of you for good pointers. I do have a bit of a problem with the gloss-behaviour though, and might be overlooking something. The list in my Bible Study Window lists all of the "glosses" in the entire document starting with the one on top. That is; its not showing just the one for the selected lemma. Why would this happen?

EDIT: And actually — so does the hover-window (when hovering over the shortname for my PB in the listing); it only shows the top of the document, not the row that belongs to the lemma milestone. 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 9 2019 10:07 AM

Dan Thomas Tveita:
I do have a bit of a problem with the gloss-behaviour though, and might be overlooking something. The list in my Bible Study Window lists all of the "glosses" in the entire document starting with the one on top. That is; its not showing just the one for the selected lemma. Why would this happen?

Each lemma  entry has to be an article, which you get when the Headword entry is a Heading 4 style, and the definition is Normal style on the next line  e.g.

[[@Headword+he:讗直讬指诇]] 讗直讬指诇

(示臎y膩l): n.masc.; ≡ Str 353; TWOT 79—LN 23.129–23.141 {{field-on:gloss}}strength {{field-off:gloss}}

[[@Headword+he:讗值讬驻止讛]] 讗值讬驻止讛

(示ê·p虅艒(h)): adv. interrogative — LN 83.5–83.8 {{field-on:gloss}}Where? {{field-off:gloss}}

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Dan Thomas Tveita | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 9 2019 12:05 PM

Ahh ok. That's unfortunate for me; it means alot of work converting an excel sheet into Headings and Paragraphs. My scripting-skills aren't adept enough to know how I could easily turn my two-column excel glossary into the necessary formatting. Would be handy if that was possible :) 

One last question then: is it possible to make the gloss-entries invisible? If not, I guess ill have to find a way to easily add the enclosing gloss-tags onto the words I want in the text....

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Dan Thomas Tveita | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 9 2019 1:33 PM

Ok, so a quick update.

With Excel and some extremely basic Visual Basic code, I managed to almost automatically turn an .xls document containing two columns (hebrew lemma+ norwegian gloss) into a word document with the necessary styles mentioned above. It took a while, but it really works and im glad. Ive yet to discover quirks with homonyms and so on — but Ill deal with that when the time comes. 

Just wanted to say Im extremely grateful and impressed by the quick responses and extensive help Ive gotten from you guys. Now on to do the same with greek 馃榿

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