Did Logos Get Dumped from the Search Engines?

Tonight I made several DuckDuck and Google searches. Zippo Logos.com, even though Logos had the resources. Ironically, even Bibleworks had results (along with Accordance, ChristianDiscount, and hundreds more).

'Historically' Logos.com has been a major 1st page player.

Not important; I just use the search engines due to the new Logos.com search is so hard to access.

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Sarel Slabbert

Tonight I made several DuckDuck and Google searches. Zippo Logos.com, even though Logos had the resources. Ironically, even Bibleworks had results (along with Accordance, ChristianDiscount, and hundreds more).

'Historically' Logos.com has been a major 1st page player.

Not important; I just use the search engines due to the new Logos.com search is so hard to access.

Not 100% sure if I perhaps misread your intention, but I get the following results in Google just for the term "logos"

For the term "logos.com" I get the following results

I only did Google searches

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1065243#Comment_1065243

Denise is searching for specific books and not getting Logos in the search results as a site from which the book can be purchased.

Sarel Slabbert

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1065244#Comment_1065244

Ah, thanks. I had the feeling I was misreading her post. [:P]

Jan Krohn

I suspect it has to do with the revamp of the Logos website. The new product pages don't seem to be particularly search engine friendly or search engine optimized.

Celeste Fiorillo

Tonight I made several DuckDuck and Google searches. Zippo Logos.com, even though Logos had the resources. Ironically, even Bibleworks had results (along with Accordance, ChristianDiscount, and hundreds more).

Denise, would you mind providing a few examples so we can investigate? Our search ranking for products should have improved with the new site, so I'm surprised to hear you're seeing fewer Logos results.

the new Logos.com search is so hard to access.

If you have time to share, it would be helpful to hear more about this; what you have a hard time finding, and how it could be made better. There have been significant search improvements in the last few months (and more coming!), so your specific feedback on what is and isn't working is valuable to us. Thank you!

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1065299#Comment_1065299

Hi Celeste

I really don't care; I just thought it odd.

Here's an easy one on DuckDuck. I paged until I gave up. Amazon showed, etc. Even Bart Ehrman's blog had something. Regarding searches, on a mini, the search window is tiny, so you have to type in the dark and no edits. Ergo DuckDuck.

Celeste Fiorillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1065310#Comment_1065310

Here's an easy one on DuckDuck. I paged until I gave up. Amazon showed, etc. Even Bart Ehrman's blog had something. Regarding searches, on a mini, the search window is tiny, so you have to type in the dark and no edits. Ergo DuckDuck.

Thanks, Denise. That's helpful information. We are doing some work now to improve our author data and author searchability [:)]
We'll take a look at the issues of using search on a smaller touchscreen, thanks for the feedback.

Celeste Fiorillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1065313#Comment_1065313

While we want you to be able to use our own site search to find what you're looking for, I thought I'd pass along this search engine tip - you can specify what site you want a search engine to search by using "site:www.example.com" in the search bar.

"site:www.logos.com jodi magness"

Myke Harbuck

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1065320#Comment_1065320

While we want you to be able to use our own site search to find what you're looking for, I thought I'd pass along this search engine tip - you can specify what site you want a search engine to search by using "site:www.example.com" in the search bar.

"site:www.logos.com jodi magness"

She can correct me if I am wrong, but I think the broader point Denise is making is that the Logos.com domain isn't optimized correctly to display in general, everyday searches by everyday folks, thus potentially resulting in significant new customer /sales losses for Faithlife. The average consumer wont know to use site:logos.com, as they may not have ever heard of Logos.com. The idea would be, through the search optimization, to introduce them to the site through high-level search hits.

Celeste Fiorillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1065321#Comment_1065321

She can correct me if I am wrong, but I think the broader point Denise is making is that the Logos.com domain isn't optimized correctly to display in general, everyday searches by everyday folks, thus potentially resulting in significant new customer /sales losses for Faithlife. The average consumer wont know to use site:logos.com, as they may not have ever heard of Logos.com. The idea would be, through the search optimization, to introduce them to the site through high-level search hits.

Oh, absolutely! I didn't mean for that to come across as a cop-out, but thanks for clarifying! We have a number of author related search optimization projects in the works, and search optimization in general is a top priority for us. We have made significant recent improvements and are still working on it. Hearing specific examples like Denise's are always helpful as well. Thank you for your input!

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1065313#Comment_1065313

Here's an easy one on DuckDuck. I paged until I gave up. Amazon showed, etc. Even Bart Ehrman's blog had something. Regarding searches, on a mini, the search window is tiny, so you have to type in the dark and no edits. Ergo DuckDuck.

Thanks, Denise. That's helpful information. We are doing some work now to improve our author data and author searchability
We'll take a look at the issues of using search on a smaller touchscreen, thanks for the feedback.

Ok, Celeste, you're being difficult. I'm smiling. Not just authors.

I went to Logos.com and picked a title that has broad appeal. And could come up under multiple variations. Then I went to DuckDuck. Even Barnes and Noble beat Logos' 2nd page. Along with the Big-A (twice), ChristianDiscount, etc. I've never even heard of ChurchSource!

Again, not to offend, but something happened. The easy answer is the new site, but I doubt it. Seems like something else. It's also kind of odd DuckDuck matches Google so closely.

Anyway, thank you for the site: hint (my less-lazy choice)!

Celeste Fiorillo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1065337#Comment_1065337

Ok, Celeste, you're being difficult. I'm smiling. Not just authors.

Not intentionally [:P] Thanks for bearing with me. [:S]

Again, not to offend, but something happened. The easy answer is the new site, but I doubt it. Seems like something else. It's also kind of odd DuckDuck matches Google so closely.

Thanks for another example. I'll try a few out myself too. Does seem odd - we'll look into it some more.

EDIT: I just spot checked ~20 titles and was able to find them all in the top 10 search results of Google. Weird. I'll try to find a pattern why some aren't ranking well.

Wild Eagle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1065344#Comment_1065344

Is it intentional? when I search Master Journal Bundle 4.1 (2,260+ vols.) it comes out only on verbum.com site and doesn't show logos.com?

See this link:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Master+Journal+Bundle+4.1+(2%2C260%2B+vols.)&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS860US860&oq=Master+Journal+Bundle+4.1+(2%2C260%2B+vols.)&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l3.263j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1067902#Comment_1067902

when I search Master Journal Bundle 4.1 (2,260+ vols.) it comes out

at Logos.com as first hit. Likewise when I follow your search link. Verbum is not even in the results (possibly Google doing their pruning of duplicate results).

PetahChristian

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1067907#Comment_1067907

when I search Master Journal Bundle 4.1 (2,260+ vols.) it comes out
at Logos.com as first hit. Likewise when I follow your search link. Verbum is not even in the results (possibly Google doing their pruning of duplicate results).

Interesting. When I use that search link, Verbum.com is #1 result, and Logos.com is hidden as the duplicate result.

Wild Eagle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1067909#Comment_1067909

Interesting. When I use that search link, Verbum.com is #1 result, and Logos.com is hidden as the duplicate result.

If I remove "+", Master Journal Bundle 4.1 (2,260 vols.), then I see logos.com, but not verbum.com. It does look like Google is pruning their duplicates and picks either logos or verbum. The problem is that the search engine decides which one to display

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1067913#Comment_1067913

It does look like Google is pruning their duplicates and picks either logos or verbum. The problem is that the search engine decides which one to display

I don't remember for sure whether this behaviour happened before Logos.com switched to the new site, but I'm not convinced it did.