KYLE: Resources not labeled Systematic Theology

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019 7:54 PM

Kyle G. Anderson:

Our plan of attack was to annotate all of the Systematic Theology resources is in the baseline Logos 8 base package for each denominational track while grabbing a few other Systematic Theologies so we could have broader denominational representation. Our next move was to hit the non-English Systematic Theology resources so our non-English reading audience would have material.

Once those titles are finished (and they're wrapping up) we'll move onto the remainder of the Systematic Theology resources. Frame, Feinberg, and Turretin (in English) are all in that category.

From the above quotation, I assume that you are ready to consider books that should be Systematic Theology but are not.

  • Jurgens, W. A., trans. The Faith of the Early Fathers. Vol. 1–3. Collegeville, MN: The Liturgical Press, 1970–1979. This is not obviously systematic theology, but that is it's primary use through it's doctrinal index.
  • Denzinger, Henry, and Karl Rahner, eds. The Sources of Catholic Dogma. Translated by Roy J. Deferrari. St. Louis, MO: B. Herder Book Co., 1954. is similar to the above resource with it's doctrinal index.

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2019 10:05 AM

Sorry I wasn't clear on what I meant.

What I meant to convey was that we wanted to make sure we had as broad as possible denominational/tradition representation. We were rightly fully accused of being too Reformed heavy in our first batch of resources and wanted to make sure there was Catholic, Reformed, Baptist, Nazarene, Pentecostal, Methodist, etc. representation of Systematic Theology resource types as quickly as possible. And now that we're at a good place in terms of that goal we were able to move onto non-English titles and then to the rest of the Systematic Theology resource types.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 20 2019 12:51 PM

Kyle G. Anderson:
then to the rest of the Systematic Theology resource types.

I understood you correctly. What I meant was that if you were getting close to working the non-English titles, then it might be time to identify books that should be "Systematic Theology" but are not so that you could plan "the rest" appropriately. Up until this post, I had no way of knowing if you thought the conversion to the Systematic Theology type was complete.

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Lonnie Spencer | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 21 2019 11:43 AM

Kyle G. Anderson:

Sorry I wasn't clear on what I meant.

What I meant to convey was that we wanted to make sure we had as broad as possible denominational/tradition representation. We were rightly fully accused of being too Reformed heavy in our first batch of resources and wanted to make sure there was Catholic, Reformed, Baptist, Nazarene, Pentecostal, Methodist, etc. representation of Systematic Theology resource types as quickly as possible. And now that we're at a good place in terms of that goal we were able to move onto non-English titles and then to the rest of the Systematic Theology resource types.

Well, now I see why there are no "restoration movement" resources in the theology guide since some folks in the restoration movement don't see themselves as a denominationWink

Here's a few restoration movement theology resources you might have missed-

https://www.logos.com/product/4561/the-faith-once-for-all-bible-doctrine-for-today

https://www.logos.com/product/16401/what-the-bible-says-about-the-holy-spirit-power-from-on-high  

https://www.logos.com/product/163770/what-the-bible-says-about-god-the-creator-ruler-redeemer-god-most-high

https://www.logos.com/product/16397/what-the-bible-says-about-grace-set-free

https://www.logos.com/product/7934/baptism-a-biblical-study

 https://www.logos.com/product/151155/mobile-ed-jack-w-cottrell-on-grace-and-baptism

https://www.logos.com/product/17733/theology-matters

 https://www.logos.com/product/3643/the-church-of-christ-a-biblical-ecclesiology-for-today

https://www.logos.com/product/38131/a-cappella-music-in-the-public-worship-of-the-church-4th-ed

 

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Lonnie Spencer | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 21 2019 6:15 PM

EastTN:

Lonnie Spencer:

Well, now I see why there are no "restoration movement" resources in the theology guide since some folks in the restoration movement don't see themselves as a denominationWink

Here's a few restoration movement theology resources you might have missed-

https://www.logos.com/product/4561/the-faith-once-for-all-bible-doctrine-for-today

https://www.logos.com/product/16401/what-the-bible-says-about-the-holy-spirit-power-from-on-high  

https://www.logos.com/product/163770/what-the-bible-says-about-god-the-creator-ruler-redeemer-god-most-high

https://www.logos.com/product/16397/what-the-bible-says-about-grace-set-free

https://www.logos.com/product/7934/baptism-a-biblical-study

 https://www.logos.com/product/151155/mobile-ed-jack-w-cottrell-on-grace-and-baptism

https://www.logos.com/product/17733/theology-matters

 https://www.logos.com/product/3643/the-church-of-christ-a-biblical-ecclesiology-for-today

https://www.logos.com/product/38131/a-cappella-music-in-the-public-worship-of-the-church-4th-ed

Yes  I'm not sure all of these will be broad enough to make Faithlife's cut for as a "systematic" theology, but I would like to see them considered.

"The Faith Once For all: Biblical Doctrine for Today" is a  systematic theology

If Sinclair Ferguson "The Holy Spirit" is already included in the theology guide, then I imagine any of these would qualify as well. 

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 22 2019 5:37 PM

Lonnie Spencer:

"The Faith Once For all: Biblical Doctrine for Today" is a  systematic theology

If Sinclair Ferguson "The Holy Spirit" is already included in the theology guide, then I imagine any of these would qualify as well. 

Hey, I'm on your side - I'd love to see them all indexed as part of the dataset and show up in theology guide!  It just struck me that some were on somewhat narrower topic areas than many of the items currently in the dataset. The one that struck me as perhaps the narrowest is Everett Ferguson's A Capella Music. While it's perhaps the best resource available for understanding classical church of Christ thinking in this area, it's not a broad theological survey.  On the other hand, Ferguson's The Church of Christ: A Biblical Ecclesiology for Today provides a systematic presentation of a major branch of theology. And, as you pointed out, The Faith Once For All is even broader yet, and clearly qualifies as a "systematic theology."

So yeah, I hope they take a serious look at all of these, and that as many as possible make the cut.

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Lonnie Spencer | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 22 2019 7:25 PM

EastTN:

Lonnie Spencer:

"The Faith Once For all: Biblical Doctrine for Today" is a  systematic theology

If Sinclair Ferguson "The Holy Spirit" is already included in the theology guide, then I imagine any of these would qualify as well. 

Hey, I'm on your side - I'd love to see them all indexed as part of the dataset and show up in theology guide!  It just struck me that some were on somewhat narrower topic areas than many of the items currently in the dataset. The one that struck me as perhaps the narrowest is Everett Ferguson's A Capella Music. While it's perhaps the best resource available for understanding classical church of Christ thinking in this area, it's not a broad theological survey.  On the other hand, Ferguson's The Church of Christ: A Biblical Ecclesiology for Today provides a systematic presentation of a major branch of theology. And, as you pointed out, The Faith Once For All is even broader yet, and clearly qualifies as a "systematic theology."

So yeah, I hope they take a serious look at all of these, and that as many as possible make the cut.

Yes I agree with you. Yet, I think Ferguson's book "A Capella Music" makes the cut because he lays out his book as a theology of worship. His chapters are "The New Testament Evidence, The Testimony of History, and Doctrinal Considerations."

At the least Cottrell's systematic theology, "The Faith Once For All" should be added.

Thanks for your support.Big Smile 

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 23 2019 8:22 AM

The Faith Once For all: Biblical Doctrine for Today  is definitely on the list.

Once we get through the all of the Systematic Theology resource types our plan is to re-group and figure out next steps for adding more content and how to go about doing it.

It's likely we'll target resources that focus exclusively on one of our highest level categorization (i.e. Christology, Eschatology, etc.)

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Lonnie Spencer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 23 2019 9:19 AM

Kyle G. Anderson:

The Faith Once For all: Biblical Doctrine for Today  is definitely on the list.

Once we get through the all of the Systematic Theology resource types our plan is to re-group and figure out next steps for adding more content and how to go about doing it.

It's likely we'll target resources that focus exclusively on one of our highest level categorization (i.e. Christology, Eschatology, etc.)

Thanks Kyle

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 23 2019 4:54 PM

Kyle G. Anderson:

The Faith Once For all: Biblical Doctrine for Today  is definitely on the list.

Once we get through the all of the Systematic Theology resource types our plan is to re-group and figure out next steps for adding more content and how to go about doing it.

It's likely we'll target resources that focus exclusively on one of our highest level categorization (i.e. Christology, Eschatology, etc.)

That makes a lot of sense.  Thank you, Kyle.

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