Surface Pro X ARM Question (or "Are Logos Users Obligated to Buy Surface 7 Instead?")

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Natan de Carvalho | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Oct 10 2019 11:19 AM

With the recent release of the new Surface lineup, I am considering buying either a Surface 7 or Pro X. The latter is much more attracting to me for having thinner bezels, being able to keep the pen in the keyboard, as well as two usb-c ports. Also, if you consider the 16gb of Ram/256gb storage, both the 7 and the X are pretty much the same price. That being said, Logos is the software I use the most. I am wondering how Logos will run on the SQ1. I've seen people saying they have issues with the touch screen on Logos, but that's not even the biggest drawback for me. If the i5 will run substantially better than the SQ1, then the Surface Pro X is not even an option.

So please, enlighten me. Where can I read more on this subject as it relates to Logos?

Thanks

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Natan de Carvalho | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 10 2019 11:20 AM

And I mean running the logos app, not the mobile app, not the web "app," but the actual database we download in our laptops.

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Benjamin Hill | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 10 2019 11:26 AM

My understanding is that the SQ1 chip should have the same theoretical power capabilities as the i5 chips by Intel. It doesn't mean there will be the same real world experience for the user. What I would recommend is buy the Surface Pro X test it out thoroughly and if you find it to be up to your standards keep it. If not, then exchange it for the Pro 7. If I end up needed a new device in the near future, I have my eye on the Pro X. It is a beautifully designed product and has LTE which is vital to portablility. However, I have the same question as you about performance. 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 10 2019 11:34 AM

I see you have posted this question in the Accessibility forum

Please forgive me asking but are there any specific accessibility issues that would need to be taken into consideration.

If not, a post in the Logos 8 forum might get more visibility.

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Natan de Carvalho | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 10 2019 1:12 PM

That is what I thought. Looks like I'll wait until November and then test it. Though I would really like to put both side by side and compare how they run.

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Michael | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 10 2019 4:19 PM

The Surface Pro X will not be able to run/translate any 64 bit X86 applications only 32bit applications are compatible.  Unless I'm mistaken Logos is only available as a 64 bit application now.  If so, the Pro X will not run Logos at all.

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Natan de Carvalho | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 10 2019 4:25 PM

Where did you get the info that Logos doesn't run on 32bits?

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Chan Chu Hang | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 5 2019 2:46 AM

It says here support for 32-bit Logos will end by the end of 2020.

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/182626/1058678.aspx#1058678

Not exactly sure what "support" means, but probably safer to go with Surface Pro 7

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 5 2019 7:48 AM

This article explains that because the Surface Pro X has an ARM chip, it was necessary for Microsoft to add an emulation layer so that x86 apps can run. The problem is that this emulation layer only runs 32-bit Windows apps, not 64-bit apps. As the post above indicates, support for 32-bit Logos will cease at the end of 2020. So, it would be better to get a Surface Pro with an x86 chip in it if you plan to have it for longer than a year.

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Natan de Carvalho | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 5 2019 7:54 AM

Great! I am upset about this because the X looks and feels soooooo much better than the 7, but the 7 it is then!

Thank you all!

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Scott E. Mahle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 5 2019 11:18 AM

From the Pro X website (because I was considering the same device):

Logos Series X Pastor’s Library | Logos 3 Leader’s Library | Logos 4 Portfolio | Logos 5 Platinum | Logos 6 Feature Crossgrade | Logos 7 Essential Upgrade - Large | Logos 8 Methodist & Wesleyan Platinum and Academic Professional

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And just in case anyone's wondering, we currently have no plans to produce an ARM64 version of Logos. (I suspect that because of Logos 8's dependency on the .NET Framework, this wouldn't even be technically possible.)

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Gary Knapp | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 6 2019 6:32 PM

Bradley,

I am assuming that accessing the online version of Logos would be possible with the Surface X with Arm processor, via the Microsoft Edge browser is that correct?

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Alan Palmer (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 7 2019 11:02 AM

Gary Knapp:

I am assuming that accessing the online version of Logos would be possible with the Surface X with Arm processor, via the Microsoft Edge browser is that correct?

Yes, but we recommend you use Chrome or Firefox at this time.

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Note that on January 15, 2020, Microsoft will replace their current Edge browser with a new version that's based on Chromium: https://www.windowscentral.com/new-microsoft-edge-launching-january-15

After the new version is released (assuming it comes to Surface Pro X) we hope there will be a lot fewer compatibility issues between Edge and app.logos.com.

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Benjamin Hill | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 11 2019 11:10 AM

As a supporter and user of Logos, I find this very concerning. I have read numerous rumors that Apple is planning to move some, if not several, of their own computer products to ARM in the near future. Microsoft seems to be slowly moving that direction. (It could change quickly, Microsoft doesn’t have the best track record with supporting and sticking with a product long term). But if Apple really does move to ARM processors, it could mean a disaster for many users of the dedicated App.

I know there are resources and time, (money), involved in doing a conversion. Yet, if the company truly wants to pride itself in being the best Bible Software for everyone. It has to be accessible to everyone, on every device. The Web App helps bridge the gap. But it is not close to the experience of the dedicated App, yet. 

Maybe that is where the future is for Logos, in a web app. If so, I do look forward to seeing the same features from the ground up on both the web and dedicated app. I just would hate to lose the tool I have come to love and enjoy.

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