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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Oct 16 2019 8:01 PM

I've never been a huge fan of the Nida formal/dynamic equivalence distinction - it can be useful but is (a) often misunderstood and (b) applies to only part of what makes a text communicate.  In some reading on other ways to distinguish between translation methods I ran across this which I thought some would find interesting:

SL=source language; TT=target language

"Newmark . . .  goes on to refer to the following methods of translation:

    • Word-for-word translation: in which the SL word order is preserved and the words translated singly by their most common meanings, out of context.
    • Literal translation: in which the SL grammatical constructions are converted to their nearest TL equivalents, but the lexical words are again translated singly, out of context.
    • Faithful translation: it attempts to produce the precise contextual meaning of the original within the constraints of the TL grammatical structures.
    • Semantic translation: which differs from 'faithful translation' only in as far as it must take more account of the aesthetic value of the SL text.
    • Adaptation: which is the freest form of translation, and is used mainly for plays (comedies) and poetry; the themes, characters, plots are usually preserved, the SL culture is converted to the TL culture and the text is rewritten.
    • Free translation: it produces the TL text without the style, form, or content of the original.
    • Idiomatic translation: it reproduces the 'message' of the original but tends to distort nuances of meaning by preferring colloquialisms and idioms where these do not exist in the original.

    • Communicative translation: it attempts to render the exact contextual meaning of the original in such a way that both content and language are readily acceptable and comprehensible to the readership (1988b: 45-47)."

https://translationjournal.net/journal/41culture.htm 

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Rodney Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 17 2019 5:18 AM

Interesting..  So I guess the Message would fall under Communicative translation?

I tend to use the NASB and NKJV the most..   I assume they fall into the Word for Word section more or less. 

 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 17 2019 6:12 AM

I think Newmark left out the more important translation approaches:

* Agrees with what I learned. Or it's larger equivalent, agrees with our customers.

and 

* Whatever the previous guy guessed at, and didn't get burned at the stake.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 17 2019 7:53 AM

MJ. Smith:
I've never been a huge fan of the Nida formal/dynamic equivalence distinction

I found this podcast (an interview between Drs Darrell L. Bock and Douglas Moo) to be very irenic as each has actually participated in published translations. I particularly enjoyed Dr. Moo's emphasis upon clarifying the Target Language. - https://voice.dts.edu/feed/tablepodcast/ search for "How English Bibles are Made".

These translators highlight that the translation team must clearly identify their target language (.e. North American vs. European English; Native English speakers vs Second Language English; English for graduate students vs. High School students vs. 10 year olds, etc.)

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