Got my learn Greek and Hebrew today

Sam West

And the quality of the videos will blow your mind. All I can say about Logos they do things up right.

Just started and don’t know anything about the content yet but I am sure its first class.

I thought I could download these on my hard drive and haven’t figured out how yet.

Will someone please tell me how?

Thanks

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Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141208#Comment_141208

Well...as one who designs aircraft parts and things for a living...I can say that when you've looked at something A LOT...you kind of lose perspective...

no doubt! That's why it is always good to get "outside" people who are not caught up in things who will notice the little details. I do copy editing/writing in addition to ministry, and I can tell you I am MUCH more adept at finding others' mistakes than I am my own . . . incidentally, I am preaching on something about "the spek and lawg" this Sunday. . .

[:P]

Hector Marquez

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141053#Comment_141053

Thanks Rosie: I'm using Vine's: "You can learn New testament Greek..." as a reference. This, of course still lacks the actual pronunciation of words (although gives you English words which produce similar sounds). Anyway, I will check on those details you listed. Thanks again!

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141203#Comment_141203

These are Greek scholars behind this production and they could miss something obvious and important before release? Did no one view or edit this before producing?

Mike Heiser wrote to me (in email): "Johnny and I had both checked all the videos. After our edits were incorporated, there was apparently some sort of “rendering” error (? Not sure what that is, but that’s what Reuben told us)."

(Reuben is Logos's Director of Multimedia Production.)

As Mike explained in another post on the forum, they did find those typos the day before shipping, but decided to go ahead with shipping and do a fix by download, as it would have otherwise delayed shipping and caused them to have to scrap all the DVDs that had already been duplicated. For something as glaring as this I personally would have scrapped them (DVDs are cheap, users' confidence in the company is more costly and takes a long time to earn).

Jonathan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141404#Comment_141404

These are Greek scholars behind this production and they could miss something obvious and important before release? Did no one view or edit this before producing?

Mike Heiser wrote to me (in email): "Johnny and I had both checked all the videos. After our edits were incorporated, there was apparently some sort of “rendering” error (? Not sure what that is, but that’s what Reuben told us)."

(Reuben is Logos's Director of Multimedia Production.)

As Mike explained in another post on the forum, they did find those typos the day before shipping, but decided to go ahead with shipping and do a fix by download, as it would have otherwise delayed shipping and caused them to have to scrap all the DVDs that had already been duplicated. For something as glaring as this I personally would have scrapped them (DVDs are cheap, users' confidence in the company is more costly and takes a long time to earn).

My thoughts exactly. I sent mine back today for a refund. The errors aren't terrible, but what is most frustrating is the response on Logos' part.

Andy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141404#Comment_141404

As Mike explained in another post on the forum, they did find those typos the day before shipping, but decided to go ahead with shipping and do a fix by download, as it would have otherwise delayed shipping and caused them to have to scrap all the DVDs that had already been duplicated. For something as glaring as this I personally would have scrapped them (DVDs are cheap, users' confidence in the company is more costly and takes a long time to earn).

Apologies if this sounds critical, but I agree with Rosie that I think it would have been better to scrap and replace.Given that Logos have decided to take an alternative route, however, it would have been more sensible (in my opinion) to make customers aware of the errors and the proposed solution (perhaps by email and the forum) before people began to discover the faults and errors for themselves.

I do not mean to be negative, but this product is a chunk out of my budget and, as an overseas customer, I will have to pay additional import costs and it will not be easy (or cheap) to return the product should it be of an unacceptable quality.

Terry Poperszky

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141413#Comment_141413

it would have been more sensible (in my opinion) to make customers aware of the errors and the proposed solution (perhaps by email and the forum) before people began to discover the faults and errors for themselves.

[Y] +1

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141449#Comment_141449

it would have been more sensible (in my opinion) to make customers aware of the errors and the proposed solution (perhaps by email and the forum) before people began to discover the faults and errors for themselves.

+1

Agreed. We would have understood.

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141462#Comment_141462

Agreed. We would have understood.

Especially, given the grief they took with the release of L4. It may not have been a wrong decision, but to do it up front would have been nice. (And I hear myself telling my church, "You don't have to be nice." [:)] )

Ronald Quick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141475#Comment_141475

Any time frame on when the download fix will be available?

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141547#Comment_141547

Any time frame on when the download fix will be available?

Mike Heiser posted a link for the fixed Hebrew alphabet lesson already, but it turned out to be a bogus link, an internal one that he wasn't meant to give out and which we don't have access to, so he's waiting for the right person in Marketing to post the video in the right place and give us the proper link. Thus I'm guessing it will be available tomorrow. I'm sure the Greek one will be coming soon, too. It didn't take them long to fix the Hebrew one.

Ronald Quick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141550#Comment_141550

Thanks.

Dennis Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141555#Comment_141555

I'm probably one of the quickest to complain when something doesn't seem right or I feel I've been mislead but Logos has produced one of the best Bible Study products to date and continues to develop more and more resources and products to assist us in our studies. Do I wish L4 for mac was complete, YES, Do I wish the Latest product "the Hebrew and Greek videos" were without error, YES but, complaining and badgering will not produce the desired result we all want to see. Instead I suggest pray for our brothers and sisters who labor diligently for us at logos and ask that the Lord give them everything that is required in knowledge and resources to complete these task for His glory. I believe that is they're desire also. I'm now going to do my best to remember to pray instead of complain next time I'm unhappy that L4 for Mac is not complete yet, It gets better with each Alpha release.

Fred

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141736#Comment_141736

I'm probably one of the quickest to complain when something doesn't seem right or I feel I've been mislead but Logos has produced one of the best Bible Study products to date and continues to develop more and more resources and products to assist us in our studies. Do I wish L4 for mac was complete, YES, Do I wish the Latest product "the Hebrew and Greek videos" were without error, YES but, complaining and badgering will not produce the desired result we all want to see. Instead I suggest pray for our brothers and sisters who labor diligently for us at logos and ask that the Lord give them everything that is required in knowledge and resources to complete these task for His glory. I believe that is they're desire also. I'm now going to do my best to remember to pray instead of complain next time I'm unhappy that L4 for Mac is not complete yet, It gets better with each Alpha release.

Well, yes and no, Dennis. I would say that ~whining~ would be neither helpful nor civil - I fully trust Logos to "get it right" eventually, whether it's software or video content that's at issue. However, there is a place for "complaining", but only in the sense of non-emotionally pointing out errors and other shortcomings. As I see it, there are two reasons to be critical while using the new DVD's - first, Logos can benefit from other sets of eyes in locating problems, and, second, total ancient language incompetents such as myself won't be so easily led astray by confusing errors that the more experienced might not stumble over. To be honest, and I don't want to get into a theological discussion here (which would be a forum no-no), I feel that polite criticism would likely help Logos people more directly than praying. [:)] [;)] [:$]

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141745#Comment_141745

I feel that polite criticism would likely help Logos people more directly than praying.

I think we'd all agree that we need to log the errors so they get attention...Logos has asked for that...nobody would dispute that right?

I think the issue was not being "strong" about it...but being more meek....

That's just my understanding.... [;)]

Jonathan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141745#Comment_141745

Well, yes and no, Dennis. I would say that ~whining~ would be neither helpful nor civil - I fully trust Logos to "get it right" eventually, whether it's software or video content that's at issue. However, there is a place for "complaining", but only in the sense of non-emotionally pointing out errors and other shortcomings. As I see it, there are two reasons to be critical while using the new DVD's - first, Logos can benefit from other sets of eyes in locating problems, and, second, total ancient language incompetents such as myself won't be so easily led astray by confusing errors that the more experienced might not stumble over. To be honest, and I don't want to get into a theological discussion here (which would be a forum no-no), I feel that polite criticism would likely help Logos people more directly than praying.

Yes. I think part of the issue here is that there is a difference in terms of relationship. For example, I have a great personal relationship with my former seminary professors. However, I would love to show you some of the strong derogatory statements they made regarding my flawed logic, theology, or spelling. While in seminary their firm critique helped me to become a better thinker and theologian. For another example, take a look at how Christ responded to Peter in the statement, "get behind me Satan". You can't get more derogatory than that! Christ certainly wasn't being evil, but rather showing Peter that his thinking was severely flawed and not in alignment with Christ.

Some of us who have complained most "boisterously" are those who have felt that Logos was not handling this situation properly. Apparently those complaints brought these issues to the attention of those whom needed to hear our complaints. The issues are being resolved and a correction is in the works. Furthermore, now that we know that the issue is being handled, I haven't read of any other complaints.

The real issue seemed to be that our complaints were going unheard, thus the chorus was growing louder.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141760#Comment_141760

Yay! Mine finally arrived today, in Vancouver, BC.

The real issue seemed to be that our complaints were going unheard, thus the chorus was growing louder.

And there are always a few singers in the chorus who come in late, not having realized that the complaints have already been adequately aired and responded to. Incidentally, have you heard of complaints choirs? They are all the rage. Really funny! Check out some of the YouTube videos. We should start up a Logos Complaints Choir. Maybe it would help people get their gripes out of their systems. Anyone care to start writing the lyrics for a good humorous anthem? [:)]

Roger King

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141841#Comment_141841

Yay! Mine finally arrived today, in Vancouver, BC.

Still waiting for mine in Ontario!

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141550#Comment_141550

Mike Heiser posted a link for the fixed Hebrew alphabet lesson already, but it turned out to be a bogus link, an internal one that he wasn't meant to give out and which we don't have access to, so he's waiting for the right person in Marketing to post the video in the right place and give us the proper link. Thus I'm guessing it will be available tomorrow. I'm sure the Greek one will be coming soon, too. It didn't take them long to fix the Hebrew one.

Have I missed the posting of the actual address? There are so many threads that the result could be posted, but I easily miss it.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141865#Comment_141865

Mike Heiser posted a link for the fixed Hebrew alphabet lesson already, but it turned out to be a bogus link, an internal one that he wasn't meant to give out and which we don't have access to, so he's waiting for the right person in Marketing to post the video in the right place and give us the proper link. Thus I'm guessing it will be available tomorrow. I'm sure the Greek one will be coming soon, too. It didn't take them long to fix the Hebrew one.

Have I missed the posting of the actual address? There are so many threads that the result could be posted, but I easily miss it.

No you haven't missed it. It hasn't been posted yet. Some of us were speculating over on another thread that they might have realized they need to create a more secure way of posting it just for those who have purchased the videos to have access to it (e.g., on a separate part of the website that we only have access to once we're logged in), which might be why it's taking so long. If they just post the link on the forum anybody could download it. On the other hand, as someone else pointed out, that might be a good teaser to get people interested in buying the whole product. We'll have to wait and see what they end up doing...

John Graves

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141867#Comment_141867

Got mine today, Arkansas

JimTowler

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141867#Comment_141867

Some of us were speculating over on another thread that they might have realized they need to create a more secure way of posting it just for those who have purchased the videos to have access to it ...

I was thinking to myself, if enough of the chapters needed to be remade, and posted in the open, no-one would need to purchase it! [:)]

More important, I was wondering if there would be merit in placing the status of the product back to "Pre-Pub" with the original price, until after new content and pressed DVDs are ready, and have passed any QA checks. Maybe this would help create a clean start with a fresh taste in the mouth.

lostlogik

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141922#Comment_141922

And wow, mine arrived today in the UK, with no duty to pay. Ace. Good service.

Now just to wonder about replacement DVDs for all the errors that seem to be cropping up. Downloads are all well and good for one PC but I want correct original media so I can use them anywhere.

Paul Bradley

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/142005#Comment_142005

Still not got mine in the UK yet. Waiting patiently............ lol

Paul

Alex Scott

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/141844#Comment_141844

Still waiting for mine in Ontario!

Me too. And yet some arrived in the UK days ago? Has to say something about our Customs and Mail service doesn't it?!!

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/142005#Comment_142005

And wow, mine arrived today in the UK, with no duty to pay. Ace. Good service.

Yeah, I didn't have to pay any GST on mine in Canada either. Yeehaw!

Michael G Parry-Thomas

Hi everybody

this information may be useful to others

I received my Greek and Hebrew learning software today[:)]

I copied the DVDs to a spare USB hard drive drive using a program called Virtual CD, I have also tried them on a flash drive
with no problems I'm using windows XP
When I moved over from libroinx 3 to version 4 I had some CDs with audio books on them
for example Bill Bright,Jeremiah2,Lucado, these work if you access them directly from the CDs ,in the previous version there was a homepage that you could access the relevant audio files
I created virtual CDs of all my audio libraries, then I created favourite links which goes directly to each audio track in libronix 4
For any training CD I use the same principle and make a favourite link
　
　
On my system I have five virtual CD/DVD drives I just mount which ever CD/DVD I want to use
Using this type of utility you only have to use your original CD/DVDs once to create the virtual CD/DVD
when you have created them you store your originals CD/DVDs in a safe place
mick
I use speech technology to overcome my dyslexia
sorry for any wrong pronounced words
　

Bryan Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/142194#Comment_142194

Got mine in the mail yesterday. Very excited but they won't play on my MB. Did they make a Window and Mac version? It opens on a PC. In fact I burned one lesson to a DVD which opens on my Mac. I'm calling customer service Monday but really wanted to play this weekend.

Jim Carlile

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/140104#Comment_140104

Got mine today (in Alberta, Canada). No duty or GST. The disks were mailed on June 21st. (4 days) [:D]

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/142246#Comment_142246

Got mine in the mail yesterday. Very excited but they won't play on my MB. Did they make a Window and Mac version? It opens on a PC. In fact I burned one lesson to a DVD which opens on my Mac. I'm calling customer service Monday but really wanted to play this weekend.

It's one version that should work on either Win or Mac. Do you have the latest version of QuickTime on your MB? You can download it free from http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/

Terry Poperszky

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/142246#Comment_142246

Got mine in the mail yesterday. Very excited but they won't play on my MB. Did they make a Window and Mac version? It opens on a PC. In fact I burned one lesson to a DVD which opens on my Mac. I'm calling customer service Monday but really wanted to play this weekend.

They play fine on my MBP

Graham Owen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/142307#Comment_142307

Mine arrived here in the UK this morning.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/142246#Comment_142246

they won't play on my MB.

Look in the folder titled "Videos" in each "Learn to use…" folder. The lessons are all .mov which is QuickTime native. I don't know why the .html files won't play on your MB. They should open in your default web browser.

Andy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/142345#Comment_142345

Mine arrived here in the UK this morning.

Hi Graham,

I am in the UK also (Manchester) and just received mine this morning... I am very impressed with the delivery time, in truth I expected it to be another week.

Also, more generally, as one who was concerned about the reports regarding the quality of this product, I am encouraged by the first few lessons. The quality appears to be excellent (the slip up with the alphabet not-withstanding... and this is being fixed).

I am very pleased and grateful.

William

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/142464#Comment_142464

was concerned about the reports regarding the quality of this product, I am encouraged by the first few lessons.

Andy, I feel exactly the same way. I notice the cuts and splices in the sound but it is by no means detrimental (IMHO). Once we can get the alephbet fixed it will all be hunky dory on my end. Certainly worth 160 bucks. I am even feeling like it would be worth the 500 that it is going for now. (I really think through a sales person a deal can be had!) I am considering these DVD's a minor form of Morris. I have yet to go to Morris but planning on Aug 30--31 in Phx. Sort of looking forward to it......

Ok everyone, How is Morris's training? What is the best thing to do to prepare for such a training? Does he actually help create collections? Physically step through some processes for study? I heard that resource deals can be had there. True?

Bryan Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/142413#Comment_142413

Yes, I can see them on a PC. I have QT 10.0. Default browser is Chrome. Maybe that has something to do with it. It just spins then ejects after about 60 sec. All other DVD's seem to work fine. I'll do some more investigating. Thanks

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/142536#Comment_142536

Yes, I can see them on a PC. I have QT 10.0. Default browser is Chrome. Maybe that has something to do with it. It just spins then ejects after about 60 sec. All other DVD's seem to work fine. I'll do some more investigating. Thanks

The latest release version of QuickTime is 7.6.6 (not 10 - which is a Mac release scheduled for the coming fall). That may have something to do with it as well.

Have you tried accessing the video files directly (open the DVD drive folders with Windows Explorer and click on the video files)? If you can see the directly then the issue is between Google Chrome and QT 10. If not, then I'd guess that issue is QT 10.

EDIT: I can access these through Chrome.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/142502#Comment_142502

Ok everyone, How is Morris's training?

Very good. Exhausting! Like drinking from a firehose.

What is the best thing to do to prepare for such a training?

Get a good night's sleep! Make sure you have the latest shipped release of Logos installed on your laptop. You can do it with the latest beta version, but you might run into instability during the class, and he won't be referring to any of the features in the beta version. But he is very up-to-date! When I attended, 4.0b had just shipped the day before and he was already teaching the features in it and using it for his demos! The printed manuals he handed out were not quite that up-to-date, though. But he promised to make downloadable updates available to us. (I'm still waiting for mine...)

Does he actually help create collections? Physically step through some processes for study?

Yes on the first, and sort of on the second. He offers a separate seminar called "The I-Beam of Message Building" (with an associated manual) that goes into more of the actual processes he uses when studying a passage to prepare a sermon.

I heard that resource deals can be had there. True?

Yes, true. It was roughly 10% off. Not every Logos title by any means, just on a select sampling of things from the catalogue (CD versions; probably resources they're trying to clear out of their inventory now that they've moved to mostly download only). I picked up Luther's Works, WEA Theological Resource Library, The Preacher's Commentary series, Collegeville Catholic Reference Library, The Bible Speaks Today New Testament commentary series

Bryan Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/142567#Comment_142567

Yes, I can see them on a PC. I have QT 10.0. Default browser is Chrome. Maybe that has something to do with it. It just spins then ejects after about 60 sec. All other DVD's seem to work fine. I'll do some more investigating. Thanks

The latest release version of QuickTime is 7.6.6 (not 10 - which is a Mac release scheduled for the coming fall). That may have something to do with it as well.

Have you tried accessing the video files directly (open the DVD drive folders with Windows Explorer and click on the video files)? If you can see the directly then the issue is between Google Chrome and QT 10. If not, then I'd guess that issue is QT 10.

EDIT: I can access these through Chrome.

Thanks Richard. Maybe I had a beta QT X. I removed it, downloaded 7.6.6 but still no luck. I went to my PC and burned the video's to a DVD.mov then transfered them to my HD on my Mac. Don' know why I couldn't access them from the original DVD. Any.... after all that Greek should be a snap. ;-)

Bryan Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/142805#Comment_142805

Hmmmmmm. Found another link http://community.logos.com/forums/t/18669.aspx apparently others are having the same issue.

Dennis Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/142809#Comment_142809

I haven't had any trouble on my iMac using the latest QT and Safari. Bryan what are you doing running Chrome on a mac? Have you lost your mind Bro? That's like using an NIV bible for serious study when you've got an NASB sitting on the shelf. [:D]

Greg Corbin

The problems with the Greek alphabet notwithstanding, I received my copies last week and have watched/interacted with several of the sessions. I agree that they are very high quality overall and very helpful. I would make two opservations. First, I believe that these videos will prove most helpful to folks like me who have had the languages in seminary but who has not kept up with the memorization, etc. that is necessary to stay sharp. These videos will help use Logos to study with greater depth in the languages without investing a great deal more time. Second, I believe that they may be too heavy for most people without any background in the languages. It's important to understand that the videos absolutely do not teach anyone to read Greek, etc. in the traditional sense that you learn it in seminary. They teach the user how to use Logos to study in the languages. That is a very important distinction and why I believe that this series will prove most helpful to those with some prior background in the languages.

For someone like me, this video series and Logos 4 are worth every penny and far more! A great resource!