Can I Convert PDF’s from iPad (iBooks) into Logos?

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Nov 16 2019 11:05 PM

Seems like I have read about this somewhere on the forums (?).  I have approx. 350 PDF’s that I would love to have in my Logos library—but as usual, I have no idea how to convert them.  

Any suggestions would be much appreciated!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 16 2019 11:42 PM

MS WORD will convert them

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 1:24 AM

MJ. Smith:

MS WORD will convert them

Thank you MJ—but, I am really unclear on the steps I would follow to get them over into my Logos library (?).

Apologies for being a bother ☺️—just not too technologically informed.

Will try to play w. WORD to see what I can achieve in the meantime👍.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 1:56 AM
  1. Open MS Word
  2. Open PDF file in MS WORD
  3. Let MS WORD convert the file
  4. Save as a .docx file
  5. Open the .docx file and edit as necessary - I usually remove a chunk of the line breaks - pictures and logic equations often require special editing.
  6. Save
  7. Open Verbum
  8. Open Personal Book Tool
  9. Fill in all the heading stuff
  10. for the file portion, attach the .docx file from 6
  11. Compile the book
  12. Check that it looks okay
  13. Treat yourself to a nice cup of Chinese high mountain green tea.

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 2:23 AM

MJ. Smith:

  1. Open MS Word
  2. Open PDF file in MS WORD
  3. Let MS WORD convert the file
  4. Save as a .docx file
  5. Open the .docx file and edit as necessary - I usually remove a chunk of the line breaks - pictures and logic equations often require special editing.
  6. Save
  7. Open Verbum
  8. Open Personal Book Tool
  9. Fill in all the heading stuff
  10. for the file portion, attach the .docx file from 6
  11. Compile the book
  12. Check that it looks okay
  13. Treat yourself to a nice cup of Chinese high mountain green tea.

Woo-Hoooo!  Much appreciated👏🏼👏🏼.  

On another note—I would like your thoughts on saving free PDF’s from this site:  

https://it.b-ok2.org/book/2379275/31185b

They have an absolute ton of highly acclaimed academic resources, and I have already downloaded many of them onto my iPad & iPhone.  Afterwards I got suspicious and sent this site to some minister friends who know more than I do about this kind of stuff.  They told me that I should beware of malware/trojans/viruses...but I am unclear on how much of a danger this is for the mobile devices listed above (?).

I am wondering if I should offload them now—or is it too late?  Hope I haven’t violated any forum policies by posting the link (admin., please feel free to delete this post of so👍).

Much appreciation—I have learned a lot from you and Denise.

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 2:34 AM

Puddin’:
I am really unclear on the steps I would follow to get them over into my Logos library

Here are the steps:

  1. In Word, File-->Open, File Type: .PDF. Or from outside Word, right-click file and choose Open with...  then Word XXX.
  2. Then, File--->Save As, File Type:  Word .docx.
  3. In Word on the View tab, check Navigation view, then Headings in that view. This will let you see if any of the headings were brought over as Word Headings, and thus will become Logos TOC sidebar items.
  4. If you judge the headings insufficient, you can see if the obvious headings in the converted document have a pattern. Select the entirety of the first heading you see, then in the Home tab on the far-right side, choose Select-->Select text with similar formatting. Then, under the Home tab, find the heading style Heading 1 and click it. Check the Navigation panel and see how the headings changed. Undo if something goes really wrong. Sometimes heading have to be done manually, that is, select each heading separately and apply Heading 1 one at a time. As you might imagine, Heading 2, 3, etc., will make sub-headings in Logos; you would do the subs in the same way.
  5. MS Word will usually mark Greek words as Greek on its own if the document is in Unicode Text. Hebrew also, but I have had uneven results with Hebrew, likely due to my lack of knowledge. I think Latin would need to be manually marked, as it would be using the same font as English. What all this does is: it makes the Greek words either show a definition in the Info Window, or enable a double-click lexicon opening.
  6. After a few of these, you'll determine your balance between the trouble you're willing to go through versus the benefit you'll get. The Wiki in #8 below has info about tagging, etc. Most bible references will produce mouse-over and link to preferred bible automatically, but more elaborate tagging has to be done by the user.
  7. Save the file if everything is OK.
  8. See this Wiki page for the Logos steps:  https://community.logos.com/forums/t/125368.aspx  EDIT: https://wiki.logos.com/Personal_Books 

One final and sad note: the personal books do not sync to mobile apps or the web app.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 2:46 AM

thanks Robert for taking the time to provide a more useful answer.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 2:56 AM

Robert M. Warren:

Puddin’:
I am really unclear on the steps I would follow to get them over into my Logos library

Here are the steps:

  1. In Word, File-->Open, File Type: .PDF. Or from outside Word, right-click file and choose Open with...  then Word XXX.
  2. Then, File--->Save As, File Type:  Word .docx.
  3. In Word on the View tab, check Navigation view, then Headings in that view. This will let you see if any of the headings were brought over as Word Headings, and thus will become Logos TOC sidebar items.
  4. If you judge the headings insufficient, you can see if the obvious headings in the converted document have a pattern. Select the entirety of the first heading you see, then in the Home tab on the far-right side, choose Select-->Select text with similar formatting. Then, under the Home tab, find the heading style Heading 1 and click it. Check the Navigation panel and see how the headings changed. Undo if something goes really wrong. Sometimes heading have to be done manually, that is, select each heading separately and apply Heading 1 one at a time. As you might imagine, Heading 2, 3, etc., will make sub-headings in Logos; you would do the subs in the same way.
  5. MS Word will usually mark Greek words as Greek on its own if the document is in Unicode Text. Hebrew also, but I have had uneven results with Hebrew, likely due to my lack of knowledge. I think Latin would need to be manually marked, as it would be using the same font as English. What all this does is: it makes the Greek words either show a definition in the Info Window, or enable a double-click lexicon opening.
  6. After a few of these, you'll determine your balance between the trouble you're willing to go through versus the benefit you'll get. The Wiki in #8 below has info about tagging, etc. Most bible references will produce mouse-over and link to preferred bible automatically, but more elaborate tagging has to be done by the user.
  7. Save the file if everything is OK.
  8. See this Wiki page for the Logos steps:  https://community.logos.com/forums/t/125368.aspx 

One final and sad note: the personal books do not sync to mobile apps or the web app.

Ok, got it...excellent Robert.  Thank you immensely👍.  Will save this for future reference.

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 3:05 AM

Be sure to check my EDIT on the link; I had clipboard false memory syndrome.

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 3:08 AM

Will do Robert👍.

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 6:49 AM

Puddin’:

Woo-Hoooo!  Much appreciated👏🏼👏🏼.  

On another note—I would like your thoughts on saving free PDF’s from this site:  

https://it.b-ok2.org/book/2379275/31185b

I have not heard of this site. Without knowing their relationships with the authors and publishers, I wonder if the site has permission to distribute copyrighted material. 

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 7:01 AM

Bill Anderson:

I have not heard of this site. Without knowing their relationships with the authors and publishers, I wonder if the site has permission to distribute copyrighted material. 

Good question!  How do we find out?     Also not all PDF files will convert in Word as they do not have a text layer.  That is they are just pictures of the text and require OCR work.  [[Optical Character Recognition: Software that turns pictures of words into words]]

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 7:41 AM

Test site for pdf to word

Downloaded “The Messiah in the Old and New Testaments” by Stanley E. Porter

Opened PDF – some of the text looked weird! [[even when reading it as a pdf]]

Opened Word 2019  - opened PDF, took several minutes to load then clicked open for edit, took time to convert 

Some of the text is text [[ie. Readable and can be edited]]

Some of the text is very poor pictures  [[Can NOT be read]]  [select one word, or try to, and delete deletes whole page - Is photo not text] 

The PDF shows bleed through, that is the exposure used to photograph the original is too bright  as you can see a hint of the other side's text.

It is not in good focus: the letters are blurred - not clear.   

Tried feeding the PDF to my OCR, Readiris 17, and it gave up after page 15.  

Good Luck.  If you can not read the PDF you have already lost.  

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 9:46 AM

I just remembered:  I wrote a Word macro a while back that converts PDFs to .docx in batches. Just put all the PDFs in the same folder, click the button, then navigate to the folder. Docs will be in the same folder as the PDFs when it's finished.  I have 64 bit Windows Word; it should also work on 32 bit. I'm not sure if it works on Mac MS Word.

You'll probably have to fire MS's macro nanny by choosing File-->Options-->Trust Center-->Trust center settings (button on right)-->Macro settings, then check Enable all macros, then OK and OK. To rehire the nanny, go back and check Disable all macros.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1weqh17o5qlwwji/Convert_PDF_Batch.zip?dl=0 

This does Steps 1 & 2. It will likely choke out on the picture-PDFs David mentions above. These can usually be discerned by unusually large file sizes.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 11:35 AM

Puddin’:

Seems like I have read about this somewhere on the forums (?).  I have approx. 350 PDF’s that I would love to have in my Logos library—but as usual, I have no idea how to convert them.  

Any suggestions would be much appreciated!

for clarification: you posted this question in the mobile forum. Personal books cannot be viewed in the mobile app

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 6:24 PM

JT (alabama24):

Puddin’:

Seems like I have read about this somewhere on the forums (?).  I have approx. 350 PDF’s that I would love to have in my Logos library—but as usual, I have no idea how to convert them.  

Any suggestions would be much appreciated!

for clarification: you posted this question in the mobile forum. Personal books cannot be viewed in the mobile app

K—Thanks JT👍.

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 6:27 PM

Bill Anderson:

Puddin’:

Woo-Hoooo!  Much appreciated👏🏼👏🏼.  

On another note—I would like your thoughts on saving free PDF’s from this site:  

https://it.b-ok2.org/book/2379275/31185b

I have not heard of this site. Without knowing their relationships with the authors and publishers, I wonder if the site has permission to distribute copyrighted material. 

Right—this concerns me also.  That is, even if my Apple products are safe from malware, etc.—then comes the ethics issue.  Conversely, this is an unbelievable site w. cutting edge works—free!

Weighing it out, but they have Robert Alter’s Hebrew Translation & Commentary, much of AYB, NICOT & NICNT, etc.  Unreal.

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 6:30 PM

David Ames:

Test site for pdf to word

Downloaded “The Messiah in the Old and New Testaments” by Stanley E. Porter

Opened PDF – some of the text looked weird! [[even when reading it as a pdf]]

Opened Word 2019  - opened PDF, took several minutes to load then clicked open for edit, took time to convert 

Some of the text is text [[ie. Readable and can be edited]]

Some of the text is very poor pictures  [[Can NOT be read]]  [select one word, or try to, and delete deletes whole page - Is photo not text] 

The PDF shows bleed through, that is the exposure used to photograph the original is too bright  as you can see a hint of the other side's text.

It is not in good focus: the letters are blurred - not clear.   

Tried feeding the PDF to my OCR, Readiris 17, and it gave up after page 15.  

Good Luck.  If you can not read the PDF you have already lost.  

Thanks much David!  Precisely what I was looking for.  Quick question:  Did you note anything fishy concerning malware, trojans, viruses, etc.?

My major concern now is that I don’t know whether to offload the books, or if it’s too late w. regard to malware—i.e., already infected (not even sure what signs to watch for?).

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 6:31 PM

Robert M. Warren:

I just remembered:  I wrote a Word macro a while back that converts PDFs to .docx in batches. Just put all the PDFs in the same folder, click the button, then navigate to the folder. Docs will be in the same folder as the PDFs when it's finished.  I have 64 bit Windows Word; it should also work on 32 bit. I'm not sure if it works on Mac MS Word.

You'll probably have to fire MS's macro nanny by choosing File-->Options-->Trust Center-->Trust center settings (button on right)-->Macro settings, then check Enable all macros, then OK and OK. To rehire the nanny, go back and check Disable all macros.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1weqh17o5qlwwji/Convert_PDF_Batch.zip?dl=0 

This does Steps 1 & 2. It will likely choke out on the picture-PDFs David mentions above. These can usually be discerned by unusually large file sizes.

Ok, got it Robert.  Awesome!  Much appreciated.

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 17 2019 6:35 PM

David Ames:

Bill Anderson:

I have not heard of this site. Without knowing their relationships with the authors and publishers, I wonder if the site has permission to distribute copyrighted material. 

Good question!  How do we find out?  

Yes—would love to know how they’re doing this.  Have a hard time believing Porter, Evans, Alter, etc. would just let them have their mammoth-recently-released works for free😳.

Conversely, Wowsie—what a compendium of bonafide scholarship.

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