Logosian Astronomy (not astrology)

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Denise | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Dec 4 2019 3:02 PM

Yes, Logos Christmas sale:

https://www.logos.com/product/167706/the-star-of-bethlehem-science-history-and-meaning 

https://www.logos.com/product/165966/the-great-christ-comet-revealing-the-true-star-of-bethlehem 

Our little town last month was jam-packed with Vedic Astrology people. The car plates were from all over the west (US). Astrology is back in, with a host of apps too. 

And astrology was big in early Babylon ... I just finished an angry (Logos) book/article that Egypt had been assigned some of the early hebrew astrology allusions, when it was quite obviously Babylon. Well, gee.

If you enjoy astronomy as we do, this first book should be good. The second, I'm a bit suspicious. One quote from the Babylonian east, was a specific star associated with a new major king ... that sounds like something Herod would worry about.

"I didn't know God made honky tonk angels."

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 5 2019 1:32 PM

Hi Denise:

Could not help it, thanks for the links.

A believer acquaintance of mine has a program that can show the sky through the years (past or future), not sure if he used that to say that Jesus' real birth date was 9 / 11...  and thinks that radicals masquerading in Islam, did the 9/11 deal so we would never celebrate Jesus' true birthday.

Not sure about the date, but it does seem from the narrative that since the pastors were out, it was way before rainy season...

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 5 2019 1:40 PM

Wow. The radicals got Jesus to be born on the wrong day. That's scary. Smiling.

Well, so far, our Lexham author has ruled out a super-nova. I could have told him that, since super-novas are millions of light-years away, and the earth was only 4,017 1/2 years old. Therefore, something within 4017 light years. Smiling.

"I didn't know God made honky tonk angels."

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Gordon Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 5 2019 2:05 PM

Hamilton Ramos:

A believer acquaintance of mine has a program that can show the sky through the years (past or future), not sure if he used that to say that Jesus' real birth date was 9 / 11...  and thinks that radicals masquerading in Islam, did the 9/11 deal so we would never celebrate Jesus' true birthday.

Michael Heiser, in his book Reversing Hermon, says that he believes that Jesus' birth was on 11th September, 3 B.C. Heiser also wrote about it on his website at https://drmsh.com/september-11-happy-birthday-to-jesus/

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 6 2019 3:34 AM

Interesting Gordon, thanks for sharing, I will check it.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 19 2019 4:55 PM

https://www.logos.com/product/167706/the-star-of-bethlehem-science-history-and-meaning 

Ok .... it's still on sale, and definitely interesting:

The first 3/4's of the book is discussion of hard data; the final, his speculation ('position' as they say in Biblical scholarland)

Some comments to whet your curiousity:

- To get a feel for what the magi were looking at, Charleston SC is good; but Tucson AZ even better

- Unexpected events were almost always bad omens; not something good about to happen. Good (astro) omens were calculable star/planet movements (message from the gods). Interesting as regards signs of 'the end' in the gospels.

- Babylon astronomy was algebra based. They could accurately calculate 'across the sky' but not up/down (to simplify). Greek astronomy was geometry based, and thus could account for predictive positioning.

- Even though Babylon was destroyed by the Persians, the magi continued to work out of the Marduk temple ruins, at the time of Herod. And the documentation of calculations is extensive, with multiple copies in 3 BCE.

- The magi from Parthia (at the time) is an interesting wrinkle; Herod had forced the Parthians out of Jerusalem, when he came to power.

- A centric earth vs centric sun was a calculation efficiency problem until telescopes could see details of Venus and disprove an earth-centric pathing.

And many more!

"I didn't know God made honky tonk angels."

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