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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 5 2020 2:03 PM

sadly non-us so no windfall/stimulus package

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Lee Gordon | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 5 2020 5:06 PM

DAL:

Lee Gordon:

DominicM:

In light of current events, fixing and polishing 8 seems best for this year, most folks funds likely to be tight for almost all year, and into 2021, where hopefully the economy is back on track and this wont need considered to be a luxury purchase

Although almost everyone will be getting a check for at least $1,200 around the end of April. It would be a shame if the package sale (30% off) ended right before everyone got their checks.

I think it will end May 15th

DAL

Hope you're right. I asked a Faithlife agent, and they said they suspected it was a two week sale. What are your sources?

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Kyle Mullaney | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 6:13 AM

Dark Mode

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 12:34 PM

Kyle Mullaney:

Dark Mode

Dark Mode # 1 voting continues to increase in the Top 3 Logos 8 UserVoice suggestions:

1,762 Votes => Night Mode for PC/Mac (+720 since 3 Dec 2019)

1,173 Votes => Import/Export notes to/from Evernote. (+14 since 3 Dec 2019)

  956 Votes => Focus on tablet and touchscreen features (+92 since 3 Dec 2019)

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 12:41 PM

This is a contest?  The one with the most votes wins?  They're relying on just those who write in to decide what to fix or change?  I hope they look at each idea as itself and think, wow, that's a good idea.  

I hate to think the suggestions I've made will go nowhere unless a thousand other people have the same suggestion.  That's a bit like saying we won't develop a wheel unless a thousand other people think we should.  When somebody invents something, that person may be the only person who's thought of it.

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Lee Gordon | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 12:50 PM

Larry Craig:

This is a contest?  The one with the most votes wins?  They're relying on just those who write in to decide what to fix or change?  I hope they look at each idea as itself and think, wow, that's a good idea.  

I hate to think the suggestions I've made will go nowhere unless a thousand other people have the same suggestion.  That's a bit like saying we won't develop a wheel unless a thousand other people think we should.  When somebody invents something, that person may be the only person who's thought of it.

The fact they asked for this thread would seem to indicate they're willing to take a look at all ideas. Otherwise, they would have just posted a link to the other page and told people to go there with their ideas. 

That said, I'm not sure what a better way of doing it would be. Imagine if there are 3,000 people who want dark mode, then you make a suggestion very few people want. Then, they implement your suggestion and 3,000 other users are unhappy with the product. 

What you should do, is go to the page where they vote, and do a search for your idea. If it's already there, then vote for it, and promote the option with a link. If it's not there, create it, then try to sell people on it. 

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 12:57 PM

thank you.  You have a point about numbers.  

The point I was trying to make is that you can't always judge how many people would want/like something based on how many people thought of it and suggested it.  You make the statement that my ideas may be something that very few people want.  I'm not talking about creating new features, but obvious improvements on what's there already.  Seems that might be easier to do than other things.  

Try to sell people on it?  How would I do that?  I put my ideas on the forum.  

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Lee Gordon | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 1:09 PM

Larry Craig:

thank you.  You have a point about numbers.  

The point I was trying to make is that you can't always judge how many people would want/like something based on how many people thought of it and suggested it.

Yes. That's why you set up a voting page and let people vote on it, to see how many people would like the idea. Imagine how hard it would be for them to read every single article, then try to keep track of it in their head, to see which ideas are most wanted. 

Larry Craig:

  You make the statement that my ideas may be something that very few people want.  I'm not talking about creating new features, but obvious improvements on what's there already.  Seems that might be easier to do than other things.  

Then your idea is to improve an existing feature. Name the feature, explain the improvement you want. Set it up on the voting page. Then come here and lobby for people to vote on it.

Larry Craig:

Try to sell people on it?  How would I do that?  I put my ideas on the forum.  

Right. In threads like this and the places where you post your ideas, you explain your improvement, then include a link to your idea that can be found on the voting page.

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 1:14 PM

I've been a Logos user for maybe ten  years.  I have no idea where to find a voting page.  Seems there's two worlds of Logos users.  Those who really get involved and those who are just trying to get by in the world.  For people like me, it's like there's a whole 'nother world out there.  

Now I am really, really busy but if you can direct me to this here voting page, I'll see what I can do.

Thanks again.

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Lee Gordon | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 1:17 PM

Larry Craig:

I've been a Logos user for maybe ten  years.  I have no idea where to find a voting page.  Seems there's two worlds of Logos users.  Those who really get involved and those who are just trying to get by in the world.  For people like me, it's like there's a whole 'nother world out there.  

Now I am really, really busy but if you can direct me to this here voting page, I'll see what I can do.

Thanks again.

Here are the links for voting on Logos, Logos Mobile, and Books: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/122900.aspx

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 1:31 PM

So I posted an idea.  So I wanted to post another one, and it said that I can't.  I should post an idea about that, but I can't do that either.

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Lee Gordon | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 1:33 PM

Larry Craig:

So I posted an idea.  So I wanted to post another one, and it said that I can't.  I should post an idea about that, but I can't do that either.

I'm not sure how that works. They may limit the number of suggestions you can submit within a given period of time. Maybe try again in 10 minutes. Anyone know about this?

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 1:36 PM

I have things to do.  

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 2:44 PM

Larry Craig:
They're relying on just those who write in to decide what to fix or change? 

  1. Development is a mix of user initiated ideas and Faihtlife initiated ideas. I don't know the percentage split.
  2. Voting is to allow for user prioritization - it is only one factor in what gets done.
  3. They also have user groups, or at least one of ministers, that provide some sort of guidance. I've only seen posts asking for volunteers so don't ask me for details.
  4. Fixes do not need to go through suggestions - they need to get on the bug report where people with the information on how many people are effected, the difficulty of the fix, when they'll be in the code anyway . . . prioritize the works
  5. They do some sort of useability testing despite my suspicions to the contrary.
  6. Some stuff gets done - a reasonable amount for the size of their staff; some stuff isn't done -- reasonable given the size of their staff.
  7. Best way to get more done - promote Logos/Verbum sales especially among user who can afford to build up large libraries ... more income, more staff.

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 2:49 PM

Thank  you

So one of the users, well, Lee, suggested I post my ideas on their voting page.  I post one, and it won't let me post another.  To me, anyone who wants good ideas won't limit those who want to give them.  Sheesh!

Thanks again

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 3:28 PM

Larry Craig:

So one of the users, well, Lee, suggested I post my ideas on their voting page.  I post one, and it won't let me post another.  To me, anyone who wants good ideas won't limit those who want to give them.  Sheesh!

I can't recreate this problem. Start a new thread and some of us will try to sort it out for you.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 6:21 PM

Larry Craig:

I've been a Logos user for maybe ten  years.  I have no idea where to find a voting page.

Logos Wiki => https://wiki.logos.com/ includes:

Help Prioritize Development

Every user has 10 votes per UserVoice forum
Up to 3 votes for one suggestion

To create UserVoice suggestion idea needs one or more votes by user.

Larry Craig:
So I posted an idea.

Noticed create subfolders in priorizing resources has 0 votes (so sorting UserVoice suggestions by descending # of votes places this new idea in the last set of ideas). FYI: UserVoice currently has ~ 1,960 suggestions with more than 10 that would be useful for me so dreaming of more votes per user OR improving UserVoice prioritization feedback for Faithlife development.

The prioritizing function works best for prioritizing your top Bibles and lexicons. But if you have a hundred commentaries on a Bible book ( I have far more.), using the prioritizing function is like throwing darts in the dark. You can't keep track of where the books are relative to each other. You need either (ideally) to be able to move books up and down while in, say, a passage guide in the preferred order, or, while in the library prioritizing function, create a folder for each book of the Bible to be used in, say, passage guide searches. Then, and only then, will you be able to put the books you really want first to be first, and those you don't really care about way, way down.

Concur prioritizing lots of commentaries per Bible Book is challenging (my library has 5,016 Bible Commentaries). Web site => https://www.bestcommentaries.com/topcommentaries/ shows some single volumes with commentary about many books being in the Top Two for some Bible books. For Example, Obadiah, Jonah and Micah (Tyndale Old Testament Commentaries | TOTC) is in the Top Two for Jonah and Micah, but not Obadiah. Top Two commentaries shows a variety of commentary series. My work around for Top Two Commentaries is a custom series (and title prefix modification, see thread => Listing Commentaries by Bible), which has four resources for Obadiah. My Library prioritization has my favorite commentary series first => UBS Handbook Series Old & New Testament Collection (55 vols.) followed by my custom Top Two series. Passage Guide shows resources in my Top Two series by alphabetic title order: for me that is chronological since have modified commentary titles to begin with year the author(s) finished writing content (can be lots of years before publication, which can include translation).

My library prioritization includes a number of advanced prioritizations, but none of them use "in this range". Hence, an advanced prioritization idea is enhancing "in this range" to have a check box list of Bible Books (when the Resource has Bible indexing).

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 7:06 PM

Ability to zoom in and out of maps.

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Michel Pauw | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 9:25 PM

Add 'Collection' as a search field.

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 6 2020 9:42 PM

Thank you for taking the time to write. You've been there a lot for me in the past. 

I bookmarked the page for voting from a previous respondent.  Why on earth would they limit suggestions from one person?  Dumb, dumb, dumb.  Ever hear of Thomas Edison?  Thomas, now I only want you to invent ten things.  We need to let other people have a chance for all these patents.  Don't be selfish.

You seem to be content, if I understand you right, to only prioritize a few commentaries for each book.  I don't have as many commentaries as you (4362), but I can see a need to prioritize a lot of them.  When I can expand the list 4 -5 times, I don't want some really good books buried under 200 other  commentaries, but with the current system of prioritization, after a while, you have no idea where the books are in order except for knowing that prioritized some and not others.

We can and need to do better.

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