LONGSTANDING BUG: Navigation in Bibles

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Dec 24 2019 9:23 AM

To my recollection, since the earliest mobile apps were released, where the app takes you when you navigate to a specific verse in a Bible has seemed to be random, best I can tell. Rather than the selected verse being at the top of the screen (since that's where you want to start), it can be anywhere on the screen. And frequently it's near the very bottom of the screen - or even not actually on that screen at all, you have to advance a page to see the verse. This happens in all the Bibles I regularly use in the mobile apps: ESV, NASB, NIV, NA28, CSB.

The main way I experience this is when I tap on the content icon and the verse picker comes up. I navigate to a verse, e.g. 1 John 2:19, and the app takes me to that verse. But the verse begins on the very last visible line of the screen. So I only see 5 words from v19. To see the rest of the verse and the subsequent verses I have to advance a page.

The other way I experience this on a regular basis is with my daily reading plan. I do all my daily reading on my iPad. In the app I go to the home screen and tap the reading plan card to take me to the first passage for the day. Here are 3 recent examples of the passage for that day and where I end up:

Jude 1. Note in this screenshot you can actually see the round indicator telling you where the app *thinks* the verse you've navigated to begins. The "Today" bar is at the very bottom of the screen. No verses from Jude are actually visible.

Psalm 143. Again, no verses from Psalm 143 are visible.

Psalm 146. Again, only the end of Psalm 145 is visible - no verses from Psalm 146.

I know the mobile app is a completely different app on a completely different platform than the desktop application(s). But when I navigate to a specific Bible verse in the desktop app, that verse is always at the top of the pane. The mobile app(s) should behave similarly.

Is there any way the mobile app(s) can be enhanced (really, "corrected") to have more sane navigation behavior.

(Current main mobile device: iPad Pro 10.9, iOS 12.4.1, Logos Bible App version 8.9.0 - though as I stated, this behavior has existed going back to 2011 I'd say)

Thanks,

Donnie

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 24 2019 9:48 AM

Donnie Hale:

... this behavior has existed going back to 2011 I'd say

Yes, but you do have to admit some irony. The desktop still has verse-follow struggles (L7 ... after 10 years, I doubt they've noticed, for L8).

And yes, displaying the page before has been a lovable feature for Logos Mobile. Just yesterday, for me.

Then, there's Ben's 'touch the arrow' target practice (also another lovable feature).

"I didn't know God made honky tonk angels."

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 6 2020 12:41 PM

Bump.

Denise's always-inscrutable replies are appreciated... Big Smile

But I'd like a response from someone at FL. Thanks,

Donnie

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T-Bone | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 6 2020 8:54 PM

Donnie Hale:

Bump.

Denise's always-inscrutable replies are appreciated... Big Smile

But I'd like a response from someone at FL. Thanks,

Donnie

The mobile reading plan implementation is severely broken. Dozens of cases already exist and I don't expect any of them to be fixed in the next few years but that's just my opinion.

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2020 6:25 AM

T-Bone:
The mobile reading plan implementation is severely broken. Dozens of cases already exist and I don't expect any of them to be fixed in the next few years but that's just my opinion.

As I pointed out in my original post, it's not just a problem with reading plans. Normal Bible navigation results in the same problem.

-Donnie

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Nick Steffen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2020 6:33 AM

Agreed! This should be addressed. 

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T-Bone | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2020 7:22 AM
Donnie Hale:

T-Bone:
The mobile reading plan implementation is severely broken. Dozens of cases already exist and I don't expect any of them to be fixed in the next few years but that's just my opinion.

As I pointed out in my original post, it's not just a problem with reading plans. Normal Bible navigation results in the same problem.

-Donnie

Ok, just add on another few years. No argument here.
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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 7 2020 7:51 AM

T-Bone:
Ok, just add on another few years. No argument here.

T-Bone, now you're on-board. Did the mobile-devs ask for 'fixes'? No, they did not. They asked for new neato things. Think neato. Not boring 'find a Bible verse in a Bible'. Or 'read' books a little at a time. Or figure where you're at. Or mark where you left off. Not neato.

I like your contributions.

"I didn't know God made honky tonk angels."

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T-Bone | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 8 2020 10:36 PM

Denise:

T-Bone:
Ok, just add on another few years. No argument here.

T-Bone, now you're on-board. Did the mobile-devs ask for 'fixes'? No, they did not. They asked for new neato things. Think neato. Not boring 'find a Bible verse in a Bible'. Or 'read' books a little at a time. Or figure where you're at. Or mark where you left off. Not neato.

I like your contributions.

Denise, everything you've stated in your above response is false. I will never be "on-board" with those who pretend to know the facts but do not. You know, false prophets and such. 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 9 2020 7:39 AM

T-Bone:
Denise, everything you've stated in your above response is false.

Well, I hope so!  But there is so much irony in a company that for years, made their money on 'books'. But like Nebuchadnezzar, saw the writing on the wall. The Big-A, and a declining market. But through it all, could never spend money on just 'reading' books. Yes, searching. Tagging. Planning. Pretty covers too, with the best 'look' and the best markup.

Yesterday, I returned to a book I was 'reading' on Logos ios. I couldn't tell where I was. I laughed.

"I didn't know God made honky tonk angels."

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 14 2020 8:18 AM

Bump.

(Daniel Di Bartolo at) FL - would you mind replying to the issues I've raised?

Thanks again,

Donnie

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 27 2020 8:00 AM

Another bump.

(Daniel Di Bartolo at) FL - would you mind replying to the issues I've raised?

Thanks again,

Donnie

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Daniel Di Bartolo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 27 2020 11:15 AM

We are planning to address this navigation issue at some point this year. 

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 28 2020 10:37 AM

Daniel Di Bartolo:
We are planning to address this navigation issue at some point this year. 

Yes

Thanks for the reply,

Donnie

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 28 2020 11:13 AM

Donnie,

In my experience, if you change the mobile app from page to scroll, this issue is less of a problem, but nonetheless it still happens. At a minimum, it's easier to scroll up a few lines than have to jump back and forth on pages (one of the reasons ebooks are supposed to be better than paper books).

But then, the scroll feature brings on its own set of issues...

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

Faithlife Corp. owes the MVPs free resources for life.

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 29 2020 7:04 AM

Doc B:
In my experience, if you change the mobile app from page to scroll, this issue is less of a problem, but nonetheless it still happens.

Thanks, Doc. I really dislike the scrolling view. I often use two-finger drag to adjust the specific location of the page, but I just want to tap the margin to advance the page.

-Donnie

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 29 2020 7:24 AM

Doc B:
At a minimum, it's easier to scroll up a few lines than have to jump back and forth on pages

At least for me, my books are more footnotes than 'regular' text. I feel like the authors add cake to their frosting. So, paging is it. And turning back a page to re-catch-the-drift means 2 more page turns, since the software looses it's place.  I don't know the developers' system, but it looks like how they chunk the text, and then buffer it. When Bibles don't line up, they take a pass. Seems.

"I didn't know God made honky tonk angels."

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