The sales keep coming!
https://www.logos.com/thomas-nelson-sale
Anyone think that there are any "must-haves" in this sale?
Well, it's an opportunity to (yet again) ask Jerome, where oh where oh where is the Ultimate Treasury??? Smiling.
https://www.logos.com/product/1214/the-new-treasury-of-scripture-knowledge
None. For the price, the New Illustrated Bible Dictionary actually has some good content so if you don't have it might be worth picking up. I have quite a few of the others being offered and don't find myself using them.
Well, it's an opportunity to (yet again) ask Jerome, where oh where oh where is the Ultimate Treasury??? Smiling. https://www.logos.com/product/1214/the-new-treasury-of-scripture-knowledge
I think an ultimate version would be pushing it. I wouldn't mind having it, but honestly, there are a lot of "crossed references" from a verse, that don't really match or have anything to do with what the verse you're studying is saying. Some do connect fine, but others you're left wondering how does this verse relate to this other one?
I guess is not about just connecting verses that relate to each other. I may be misunderstanding the actual purpose of the TSK.
DAL
The "systematic theologies" were more expensive on a sale that took place towards the end of last year, so if you didn't get them, $7.99 is a way much better price. Here are some that are in my shopping cart right now. I like practicality, so I guess that's why I chose them.
1. Understanding Christian Theology by Swindoll and Zuck would be a nice addition. It's very practical for devotional studies and or small groups or sunday school for new converts.
2. A New Systematic Theology of the Christian Faith.
3. A Theological Wordbook has some practical insights on "theological words."
4. Christian Counseling.
5. The Glorious Journey has brief practical insights on different topics (e.g. suicide, abortion, etc.). More of a devotional reading.
6. The Moral Dilemmas has topical studies in a more elaborate way.
AND 7. Evangelism: How to Share the Gospel Faithfully by MacArthur. There's a great simple yet powerful refutation on the sinner's prayer included. That alone is worth sparing some change!
Not the most in depth, even for the systematic theologies, but practical.
I may be misunderstanding the actual purpose of the TSK.
As I understand him (Jerome), he's gone well beyond the old center column idea of common ideas/meaning, which progressively become 'huh?'. In many ways, 'Ultimate' looks more like a tailored Logos classing. A good parallel to the functionality is the old Masorah, which remain quite useful.
I may be misunderstanding the actual purpose of the TSK. As I understand him (Jerome), he's gone well beyond the old center column idea of common ideas/meaning, which progressively become 'huh?'. In many ways, 'Ultimate' looks more like a tailored Logos classing. A good parallel to the functionality is the old Masorah, which remain quite useful.
Well, then I hope we can get it in Logos some day!
Would this book appear under the illustration guide tab?
Swindoll's Ultimate Book of Illustrations and Quotes
Asking if anyone here have seen it. Thanks!
Yes, it's in the third group: Handbooks, Guides, and Introductions
Third row, second from the left. Your link is it.
Any views on this book?
https://www.logos.com/product/2248/church-history-in-plain-language
I note it's edition 2 and that there have been 2 further updated editions - but not available in Logos.
Any views on this book? https://www.logos.com/product/2248/church-history-in-plain-language I note it's edition 2 and that there have been 2 further updated editions - but not available in Logos.
Nah, I already have this one: https://www.logos.com/product/180419/introduction-to-the-history-of-christianity-with-cd-rom
and others too.
I have never owned it before but the Revelation 4 views one looks like a grabber. I've heard it recommended before and it would be nice to have if I ever go through revelation again as it goes through the major 4 views and how they differ (I believe).
Believers Bible Commentary is a good one and Understanding Christian Theology is a cheap add to your Systematic Theology dataset results
I have never owned it before but the Revelation 4 views one looks like a grabber. I've heard it recommended before and it would be nice to have if I ever go through revelation again as it goes through the major 4 views and how they differ (I believe). Believers Bible Commentary is a good one and Understanding Christian Theology is a cheap add to your Systematic Theology dataset results
Agree. My only reservation with the Revelation volume is that it has been updated significantly. These are the differences that the author himself highlights:
Therefore, immediately after the publication of the first edition of Revelation: Four Views I began to see imperfections that I wished I could have avoided. It was on the occasion of the publisher’s request to publish an updated and expanded version that I was invited to make alterations to the original. The primary changes in this edition are as follows:
1) The viewpoint that appears in the fourth column of the main body of the work is rightly called the Idealist. I was aware of this, when writing in 1997, but I did not find many authors referring to their view by this name, even when it was their view. I assumed that they may not have preferred this label for their position, and I sought for an alternative name from their writings. Though authors taking this position floated a variety of possible labels (e.g., the philosophy of history view), there was none among them of which all seemed to approve. At that time, I decided to create a generic name for the viewpoint, and I settled upon the label spiritual. The ink was no sooner dry on the first copies of the book than I regretted the decision. Idealist is clearly the most widely recognized name for this view, and it is so named in this edition.
2) The first edition sported unused white space on many of its pages, owing to the fact that I could not find an equal amount of material for all four views in many cases, and the four-column format meant that when the treatment of one or two views extended considerably beyond that for the other, there often would be white space in the columns to which the commentary on the other approaches did not extend. In preparing this second edition, I have found more authorities than were available to me in 1997 from which to quote.
3) Which I wrote Revelation: Four Views, I was not aware of Richard Bauckham’s book, The Theology of the Book of Revelation, which had been published four years earlier. Also, in the years since 1997, a major commentary on Revelation by G.K. Beale has appeared. The importance of these two scholars in the modern evangelical world renders it essential that their work be included in a study such as this.
Apart from these few things, the second edition is very much like the first. I have been very encouraged by the many positive reviews the first edition received and am grateful to Thomas Nelson that a second edition in paperback was deemed a worthwhile project. It gave me another opportunity to delve into the fascinating exploration in which I continue to revel. I wish you equal revelry in your own exploration
The sales keep coming! https://www.logos.com/thomas-nelson-sale
Anybody know when these sales end?
The sales keep coming! https://www.logos.com/thomas-nelson-sale Anybody know when these sales end?
This particular one ends on Feb 29th according to a post on the Logos blog. Which you can't actually read because the blog URL is currently not resolving [:(]
Well, it's an opportunity to (yet again) ask Jerome, where oh where oh where is the Ultimate Treasury??? Smiling. https://www.logos.com/product/1214/the-new-treasury-of-scripture-knowledge I think an ultimate version would be pushing it. I wouldn't mind having it, but honestly, there are a lot of "crossed references" from a verse, that don't really match or have anything to do with what the verse you're studying is saying. Some do connect fine, but others you're left wondering how does this verse relate to this other one? I guess is not about just connecting verses that relate to each other. I may be misunderstanding the actual purpose of the TSK. DAL
Dear Denise and DAL,
Thank you for mentioning my book, The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge. I would highly recommend getting this resource for your Logos library if you do not have it yet. The price during this limited-time special sale is likely the best you will ever see.
As I have mentioned before, I have produced, after many more years of careful study, two more works of a similar nature: Nelson's Cross Reference Guide to the Bible in 2007 (in book form, now out of print) and The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury in 2016 (in digital format only, with over 900,000 cross references, at present available only for the e-Sword platform).
I have discussed at some length in my introductory front-matter to the NTSK the issue DAL mentioned about the relevance of some of the cross references given. In short, I have found that when all the references are consulted, the relevance becomes clear. When it doesn't, looking up the references at the supposedly unclear reference itself generally makes the connection clear once I look them up, and I learned something new in the process of digging deeper into Bible study.
McDowell's Evidence for Christianity (for those who have missed the Josh McDowell Treasury sale last year).
Anyone think that there are any "must-haves" in this sale? McDowell's Evidence for Christianity (for those who have missed the Josh McDowell Treasury sale last year).
I picked this book up, but returned it as it's effectively a condensed version of Evidence That Demands a Verdict. Well worth getting if you don't already have the latter, although the latter seems to be on sale fairly regularly for $4.99 - only if you live in the USA though now.
It is indeed, but as a reference volume, I like the Logos integration.
What really needs to go on sale for $4.99 is this one:
https://www.logos.com/product/180152/new-evidence-that-demands-a-verdict
I picked this book up, but returned it as it's effectively a condensed version of Evidence That Demands a Verdict. Well worth getting if you don't already have the latter, although the latter seems to be on sale fairly regularly for $4.99 - only if you live in the USA though now. It is indeed, but as a reference volume, I like the Logos integration. What really needs to go on sale for $4.99 is this one: https://www.logos.com/product/180152/new-evidence-that-demands-a-verdict
Just a reminder to those who can buy it. There is the updated version of the above in FLEB
https://ebooks.faithlife.com/product/137205/evidence-that-demands-a-verdict-life-changing-truth-for-a-skeptical-world
Just a reminder to those who can buy it. There is the updated version of the above in FLEB https://ebooks.faithlife.com/product/137205/evidence-that-demands-a-verdict-life-changing-truth-for-a-skeptical-world
I already have that, but I thought the "new evidence" was the updated version... [^o)]
Ah, got it. The "new evidence" is the old edition.
What a way to name the revision of the revision... 🙄
Be gone from my wish list, new evidence!
Just a reminder to those who can buy it. There is the updated version of the above in FLEB https://ebooks.faithlife.com/product/137205/evidence-that-demands-a-verdict-life-changing-truth-for-a-skeptical-world I already have that, but I thought the "new evidence" was the updated version...
I already have that, but I thought the "new evidence" was the updated version...
This book has the following statement and was published in 2017
https://www.logos.com/product/137205/evidence-that-demands-a-verdict-life-changing-truth-for-a-skeptical-world
© 2017 Josh McDowell Ministry.
Substantial portions of this material were previously published as The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict by Thomas Nelson in 1999, Evidence That Demands a Verdict, Vols. I and II, by Thomas Nelson 1992, and Evidence That Demands a Verdict by Thomas Nelson in 1984. Those editions included material originally published by Here’s Life Publishers, Inc. © 1972, 1975, 1979, 1981 Campus Crusade for Christ, Inc
I've returned Evidence for Christianity now, but the forward said it contained all the best arguments from Evidence That Demands a Verdict.
Yeah I can't make any defenses for the odd naming scheme but the one in FLEB is the newest one. I put a link below w/ the Josh's son, Sean, who helped update the book. You do lose the bells and whistles of the older Logos version but I'm not quite sure what bells and whistles an apologetics book might offer in Logos except better quality.
https://seanmcdowell.org/blog/interview-evidence-that-demands-a-verdict-for-a-new-generation
Why make an updated version now?
Culture has changed dramatically since the late 90s. And the main reason for this is the ubiquity of the Internet. When my father first wrote Evidence, the value of the book came from the scarcity of the information. People simply did not have access to accessible apologetics material. But now there is an abundance of information. But Evidence still has value for two reasons. First, it is a trusted brand. When everyone has a platform to proclaim ideas, there is tremendous value in the Evidence brand that has proven trustworthy over four decades.
And second, Evidence is a time-saver. While the information is much more available today, the one (big!) volume of Evidence will save students, pastors, parents, skeptics and others a remarkable amount of research time.
Here’s the bottom line: Culture has changed. Questions have changed. Apologetics still matter deeply. And Evidence is a brand people have come to trust. Why not do an update?
What are some of the new or updated topics?
While we updated the classic chapters in Evidence, such as the uniqueness of the Bible, evidence for the resurrection, prophecy, and the reliability of the Bible, there are some new topics as well. For instance, there is a chapter on the martyrdom of the apostles, which was based on my academic book The Fate of the Apostles. We also added chapters on the claim that Christianity is a copycat religion, the Gnostic Gospels, the nature and knowability of truth, an appendix responding to some of the claims of Bart Ehrman, and more.
And the section on the Old Testament is almost entirely new. In the 70s-90s, the Documentary Hypothesis was a big deal. But now it is a minor issue. So, to be current, we added issues on the exodus, the conquest, and other key events and people from the Old Testament including the historical Adam.
Yeah I can't make any defenses for the odd naming scheme but the one in FLEB is the newest one. I put a link below w/ the Josh's son, Sean, who helped update the book. You do lose the bells and whistles of the older Logos version but I'm not quite sure what bells and whistles an apologetics book might offer in Logos except better quality. https://seanmcdowell.org/blog/interview-evidence-that-demands-a-verdict-for-a-new-generation Why make an updated version now? Culture has changed dramatically since the late 90s. And the main reason for this is the ubiquity of the Internet. When my father first wrote Evidence, the value of the book came from the scarcity of the information. People simply did not have access to accessible apologetics material. But now there is an abundance of information. But Evidence still has value for two reasons. First, it is a trusted brand. When everyone has a platform to proclaim ideas, there is tremendous value in the Evidence brand that has proven trustworthy over four decades. And second, Evidence is a time-saver. While the information is much more available today, the one (big!) volume of Evidence will save students, pastors, parents, skeptics and others a remarkable amount of research time. Here’s the bottom line: Culture has changed. Questions have changed. Apologetics still matter deeply. And Evidence is a brand people have come to trust. Why not do an update? What are some of the new or updated topics? While we updated the classic chapters in Evidence, such as the uniqueness of the Bible, evidence for the resurrection, prophecy, and the reliability of the Bible, there are some new topics as well. For instance, there is a chapter on the martyrdom of the apostles, which was based on my academic book The Fate of the Apostles. We also added chapters on the claim that Christianity is a copycat religion, the Gnostic Gospels, the nature and knowability of truth, an appendix responding to some of the claims of Bart Ehrman, and more. And the section on the Old Testament is almost entirely new. In the 70s-90s, the Documentary Hypothesis was a big deal. But now it is a minor issue. So, to be current, we added issues on the exodus, the conquest, and other key events and people from the Old Testament including the historical Adam.
Mattillo. I think the Faithlife version is even newer at was published in 2017 rather than 2005 for the Logos one. Either way both are very good.
I can't make any defenses for the odd naming scheme
I agree it is confusing. However, the original one was written by Josh alone. This one is co-authored by his son... so, a "new" book.
if you don't have it might be worth picking up.
I'm evaluating whether to eliminate these from my cart:Nelson’s Illustrated Guide to Religions: A Comprehensive Introduction to the Religions of the Worldhttps://www.logos.com/product/52611/nelsons-illustrated-guide-to-religions-a-comprehensive-introduction-to-the-religions-of-the-world
Illustrated Manners and Customs of the Biblehttps://www.logos.com/product/1207/illustrated-manners-and-customs-of-the-bible
The Theological Wordbook https://www.logos.com/product/9862/the-theological-wordbook
Anyone have them or got any tips on them?
I have all three volumes in your cart. I am currently reading Nelson's Illustrated Guide to Religions. It is well worth getting. It is introductory in nature, but very informative. That is to be expected. I have whole books about some of the many religions discussed. I have had extensive contact and discussion with a few of the religions. The content is objective and accurate. The illustrations come through very nicely.
Illustrated Manners and Customs of the Bible is a highly informative book with detailed discussion of many manners and customs. This is an essential reference work.
The Theological Wordbook is necessarily brief in its discussions, but does get to the heart of the theological words and topics it discusses.
For the price on this sale, these works are a good bargain and are full of informative, useful content.
I'm evaluating whether to eliminate these from my cart:Nelson’s Illustrated Guide to Religions: A Comprehensive Introduction to the Religions of the Worldhttps://www.logos.com/product/52611/nelsons-illustrated-guide-to-religions-a-comprehensive-introduction-to-the-religions-of-the-world Illustrated Manners and Customs of the Biblehttps://www.logos.com/product/1207/illustrated-manners-and-customs-of-the-bible The Theological Wordbook https://www.logos.com/product/9862/the-theological-wordbook Anyone have them or got any tips on them?
I am currently reading Nelson's Illustrated Guide to Religions.
Does it include the images as seen in the sample pages?
I am currently reading Nelson's Illustrated Guide to Religions. Does it include the images as seen in the sample pages?
Yes it does 👍😁👌
Just found the "see inside" button. My bad! Still love hearing everyone's evals.Just found the "see inside" button. My bad! Still love hearing everyone's evals.
Got it. Thanks for tempting me.
Hi all,
Since it's not listed on the homepage now, just a reminder that the Thomas Nelson Reference Works sale ends tonight at midnight.
Hi all, Since it's not listed on the homepage now, just a reminder that the Thomas Nelson Reference Works sale ends tonight at midnight. https://www.logos.com/thomas-nelson-sale
Thanks for the heads up! With the ones I already owned and the few I purchased, I now have 50 out of the 58 resources offered on this sale 👍😁👌
Can we have more sales like this?
My library is large enough for most of my needs now. So sales like this encourage me to consider and buy books I wouldn't have otherwise considered because the pricing is compelling.
Same here.
mm.
Anyone think that there are any "must-haves" in this sale? None. For the price, the New Illustrated Bible Dictionary actually has some good content so if you don't have it might be worth picking up. I have quite a few of the others being offered and don't find myself using them.
Sale over.
The next sale may start!
I have never owned it before but the Revelation 4 views one looks like a grabber. I've heard it recommended before and it would be nice to have if I ever go through revelation again as it goes through the major 4 views and how they differ (I believe). Believers Bible Commentary is a good one and Understanding Christian Theology is a cheap add to your Systematic Theology dataset results Agree. My only reservation with the Revelation volume is that it has been updated significantly. These are the differences that the author himself highlights: Therefore, immediately after the publication of the first edition of Revelation: Four Views I began to see imperfections that I wished I could have avoided. It was on the occasion of the publisher’s request to publish an updated and expanded version that I was invited to make alterations to the original. The primary changes in this edition are as follows: 1) The viewpoint that appears in the fourth column of the main body of the work is rightly called the Idealist. I was aware of this, when writing in 1997, but I did not find many authors referring to their view by this name, even when it was their view. I assumed that they may not have preferred this label for their position, and I sought for an alternative name from their writings. Though authors taking this position floated a variety of possible labels (e.g., the philosophy of history view), there was none among them of which all seemed to approve. At that time, I decided to create a generic name for the viewpoint, and I settled upon the label spiritual. The ink was no sooner dry on the first copies of the book than I regretted the decision. Idealist is clearly the most widely recognized name for this view, and it is so named in this edition. 2) The first edition sported unused white space on many of its pages, owing to the fact that I could not find an equal amount of material for all four views in many cases, and the four-column format meant that when the treatment of one or two views extended considerably beyond that for the other, there often would be white space in the columns to which the commentary on the other approaches did not extend. In preparing this second edition, I have found more authorities than were available to me in 1997 from which to quote. 3) Which I wrote Revelation: Four Views, I was not aware of Richard Bauckham’s book, The Theology of the Book of Revelation, which had been published four years earlier. Also, in the years since 1997, a major commentary on Revelation by G.K. Beale has appeared. The importance of these two scholars in the modern evangelical world renders it essential that their work be included in a study such as this. Apart from these few things, the second edition is very much like the first. I have been very encouraged by the many positive reviews the first edition received and am grateful to Thomas Nelson that a second edition in paperback was deemed a worthwhile project. It gave me another opportunity to delve into the fascinating exploration in which I continue to revel. I wish you equal revelry in your own exploration
Has anybody heard rumblings about the 2nd edition of Gregg's Revelation: Four Views coming to the Logos platform yet?
The newest version has been on sale for $1.99 and $3.99 in the past: https://www.logos.com/product/137205/evidence-that-demands-a-verdict-life-changing-truth-for-a-skeptical-world
Will there be another sale or is this an isolated case
There's a new Thomas Nelson sale. This time at $8.99 per volume.
Thank you, Paul!
The newest version has been on sale for $1.99 and $3.99 in the past: https://www.logos.com/product/137205/evidence-that-demands-a-verdict-life-changing-truth-for-a-skeptical-world DAL
Evidence that demands a verdict is something I will watch for.
The newest version has been on sale for $1.99 and $3.99 in the past: https://www.logos.com/product/137205/evidence-that-demands-a-verdict-life-changing-truth-for-a-skeptical-world DAL Evidence that demands a verdict is something I will watch for.
I have the audiobook also. It’s been a real treat to my ears 👂
With all the discussion of cross-reference Bible study here lately, I would highly recommend getting my book, The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, if you do not have it yet!
I can tell by the discussions I have read that many here have not taken advantage of the benefits of doing this kind of Bible study.
With all the discussion of cross-reference Bible study here lately, I would highly recommend getting my book, The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, if you do not have it yet! I can tell by the discussions I have read that many here have not taken advantage of the benefits of doing this kind of Bible study.
Have you personally tried to talk to Logos to see if there might be interest on their part to make the “ultimate” version available? I’m just curious (maybe you already have…).
With all the discussion of cross-reference Bible study here lately, I would highly recommend getting my book, The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, if you do not have it yet! I can tell by the discussions I have read that many here have not taken advantage of the benefits of doing this kind of Bible study. Have you personally tried to talk to Logos to see if there might be interest on their part to make the “ultimate” version available? I’m just curious (maybe you already have…). DAL
I have no contact with anyone at Logos. Considering the negative tone of a few responders here, I don't know how much actual interest there really is in this fundamental and basic method of Bible study here. I am most thankful for those who have expressed a positive interest.The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge is classed as a commentary. So is its predecessor, The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge.
The additional notes and commentary which I wrote or supplied represent answers to Bible questions raised by students in my high school, college and career, and adult Sunday school classes, as well as the Bible Discussion Club students at Cass Technical High School in Detroit. My students all very vociferously requested that I place this material in my then forthcoming book. On some controversial subjects where careful students of the Bible have quite different understandings of a subject, I have presented the best evidence I could find on each of several sides of the issue.I have placed material on apologetics and hermeneutics in both the New Treasury and even more extensively in The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury. Anyone who even very unobtrusively obeys Matthew 5:16 will have opportunities to also obey 1 Peter 3:15 and Jude 3. These resources I produced during and after a whole lifetime of study, research, and application will be appreciated when turning to the Bible for answers.
One very good question asked by a most memorable pupil pertained to 1 John 2:3. She asked, "Just what are the commands of Christ?" It took me several years to research that answer, which became the extensive note I have placed at that verse in the NTSK & UCRT.
So, for the few who have objected to some of my notes, blame my very inquisitive students who asked such good questions!
For any who wish to have a resource with all the cross references but without explanatory notes, I produced such a resource in 2007 titled Nelson's Cross Reference Guide to the Bible. This resource is out of print and not available in digital format.I enjoyed the opportunity yesterday to be interviewed by Jim Schneider on his "Crosstalk" VCY America program carried on 135 stations. I have placed the link on my website, and it is also easily found on the Internet. The interview concerns the newly released edition of The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge and the backstory of how I ever became involved in producing it. Callers from all over the country were most interested in the book and appreciated my story behind it.
Thank you for sharing some background information on the evolution of the resource. I have been surprised that Faithlife has not picked up the update. But then, I am often surprised by their choices ... and often surprised by comments in the forum not supported by evidence or reference. And no, the unsubstantiated claim currently weighing on my mind is not related to your book.
