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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Apr 7 2020 11:39 AM

Why doesn't a clause search for "place:Nazareth" find Matt 21:11 where Nazareth is tagged as that place?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 7 2020 3:25 PM

One might ask why <Place Nazareth> has 40 results vs. 19  for place:Nazareth?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 7 2020 10:32 PM

Dave Hooton:

One might ask why <Place Nazareth> has 40 results vs. 19  for place:Nazareth?

Thats probably a better statement of the issue!

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Jimmy Parks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 14 2020 12:24 PM

This is an issue with the way Clause Search works. The clause search feature will only return results for entities that are tagged as arguments of the verb and the verbs themselves. So, the entity needs to fit into a grammatical category (Subject, Object, etc.) or a functional role category (Agent, Patient, etc.) In the Mt 21:11 instance Nazareth modifies Jesus, and doesn't fit one of these roles.  

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Lane McKay | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 14 2020 12:40 PM

Sorry Jimmy, but what?

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Jimmy Parks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 14 2020 12:59 PM

What part of the response to Graham's question is giving you problems?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 14 2020 1:08 PM

Thanks Jimmy

Very helpful, Graham

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Lane McKay | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 15 2020 9:41 AM

Jimmy,

The clause search feature will only return results for entities that are tagged as arguments of the verb and the verbs themselves.

Can you break that down a little more for me? 

Thanks

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Jimmy Parks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 15 2020 10:48 AM

Take the example of the entity Nazareth. Nazareth is a place, that Logos has tagged in Bible texts, so it is searchable. If you run a bible search for the place 'Nazareth' the results will return every instance (even pronominal references).

However, clause search doesn't return every instance of a tagged entity. In Matt 21:11 the noun Nazareth is part of a larger noun phrase (ὁ ἀπὸ Ναζαρὲθ τῆς Γαλιλαίας - 'the one from Nazareth of Galilee') which modifies the noun Jesus. Adjectives are not required arguments, but supply extra information about a particular entity. 

If you use clause search to search for the person Jesus Matt 21:11 is in the results.

This is because Jesus is the object of the verb ἐστιν 'is.'

You can get an introduction to the linguistic framework used to determine argument roles and how they are used as a dataset within Logos in the documentation for this dataset https://www.logos.com/product/45458/semantic-roles-and-case-frames-dataset-sblgnt-edition and this one https://www.logos.com/product/46352/lexham-glossary-of-semantic-roles

Hope that helps.

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Lane McKay | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 15 2020 12:12 PM

Jimmy,

Excellent. I understand better now.

Thank you

Lane

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