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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Apr 7 2020 5:07 PM

Hi all,

As you’ve probably noticed, we haven’t been actively using the Noet brand for a few years (e.g. we've retired the desktop software, web, and mobile apps). In an effort to consolidate, we will no longer use the brand for any of our products. 

What does this mean for you?

Logos editions of books you purchased under the Noet brand will continue to function in your library as always.

We will continue to offer the Noet catalog of books, they just won’t carry the name. We do plan to continue growing our catalog of resources in the humanities (literature, philosophy, classics, etc.).

For people who shop at ebooks.noet.com, there is a change you should note. We have moved that store to general.ebooks.faithlife.com. That storefront will continue to be the place to get ebooks that don’t necessarily fit in our regular catalog of ebooks. It will temporarily be a distinct site and catalog, just at a new URL (though we do have plans to continue to grow the catalog).

Please let me know if you have any questions.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 7 2020 5:32 PM

Well, does this mean Phil's 'it'll be back' as 'in disguise'?  I'm only a Noet'r using the mobile app. I like the colors.

But if I were a Noet'r, I'd wonder where the not-Noet books would soon be sold. Apparently the not-Noet cheapos are now in general.cheapos.

Appreciate your work, Ben. You're tops, especially now days.

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Kenneth Neighoff | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 7 2020 5:33 PM

Thanks Ben for this update. 

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Greg F | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 8 2020 1:02 AM

Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife):
We do plan to continue growing our catalog of resources in the humanities (literature, philosophy, classics, etc.).

Could you elaborate on this sentence please? The Noet offerings were one of the things that brought me to Logos in the first place, and I while I'm happy I picked up most of the Loeb volumes at Community Pricing prices, for example, I'm saddened by the stark drop off in humanities-related publications over the last couple of years.

In any case, thanks for the update!

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 8 2020 4:32 AM

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 8 2020 8:12 AM

The idea of Noet was exactly what I had been asking for for years. Having important works from the humanities seems like an obvious way to expand your customer base beyond pastors and theologians to academics generally. What philosopher wouldn't want to have the same study tools for Plato and Aristotle or English teacher for Shakespeare and Homer?

But clearly there was a market and a marketing problem for this. At the time, the Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy was on pre-pub, but couldn't get enough support from users. And for years Select Works of Cicero has been sitting stagnant on community pricing! Thomas Reid is still hovering below 40% support after, what... 5 years!? It's obvious, then, that Faithlife just doesn't have a significant customer base that is interested in the humanities.

But I do wonder whether Faithlife's heavy reliance on pre-prub and community pricing was part of the problem here, because it's not an approach geared towards bringing in new customers but for bringing in new resources to old customers. Instead of offering Nietzsche on pre-pub, where he might stagnate forever with the current customer base, I suspect it makes more sense to take the approach of "We need to produce this resource in order to get that customer base." 

Anyway, I'm glad that faithlife made the initial effort even if it didn't take off. It did bring in a lot of great works that I had wanted. From that angle, I don't care too much whether Noet branding goes away. The problem is that the means of acquiring these resources, at least beyond an excruciating trickle, may depend in part in marketing a brand like Noet.

I first heard of Logos when I was (IIRC) a junior in college. I took a course in minor prophets and the professor used it in class. I wonder if Noet ever reached out to humanities professors and gave them copies to use in class?

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 8 2020 11:44 AM

J. Remington Bowling:
What philosopher wouldn't want to have the same study tools for Plato and Aristotle or English teacher for Shakespeare and Homer?

Thinking about this a bit more it occurred to me that part of the problem with Noet may have been the idea that, say, students of philosophy would simply want to do what students of theology want to do... and since Logos was designed for students of theology it should work fine to just throw in some philosophy resources. But that's not quote right.

Almost any theology student is going to be heavily focused on original languages. So having the ability to look at the Greek and Hebrew texts is very important for them. But this will only be a narrow slice of philosophy students. Thus, marketing the ability to look at Plato side-by-side with the classical Greek will appeal to fewer philosophy students than a similar ability will to Bible students. Often, as far as the text goes, they will just want maybe a newer translation (.i.e., Bloom). Though in some cases (e.g., W. D. Ross) what Faithlife has is pretty good, but the formatting is bad and makes it difficult to read.

What sort of functionality would appeal to a philosophy student, aside from the benefits of an integrated library, was missing for Noet (and wasn't even in Logos at the time, IIRC). So, for instance, a topic guide that was fleshed out for topics in philosophy like substance dualism. Workflows geared towards, say, studying Plato or studying a theme in Plato. There is a Psalms explorer or Proverbs explorer, maybe an explorer for the Republic or Nicomachean Ethics? Of course, I realize that requires tons of work and Faithlife likely can't dedicate the resources necessary to doing this. But my point is simply that this, imo, was another reason why Noet wasn't likely to get much traction wow-ing new customers the way it could with Bible students.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 17 2020 12:17 PM

Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife):
We have moved that store to general.ebooks.faithlife.com. That storefront will continue to be the place to get ebooks that don’t necessarily fit in our regular catalog of ebooks. It will temporarily be a distinct site and catalog, just at a new URL (though we do have plans to continue to grow the catalog)

It would be nice to see a link to the general site from https://ebooks.faithlife.com/.  It just seems confusing to have two ebook sites that are not integrated.

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David Wanat | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 17 2020 1:14 PM

I like how it’s separate from numerous pages of Amish romance. Thanks.

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Shawn White | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 3 2020 6:31 AM

Hi Ben - 

I do have a question. As a Ph.D. student (Philosophy of Humanities) I purchased a bunch of material/books on the Noet platform. I work on a Mac (OS 10.15.4 - Catalina) and I can no longer access my application. Do I need to switch to a Logos application on my laptop? Will it import my Noet library? How is the best way to go about this?

Shawn

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 3 2020 6:42 AM

HI Shawn - and welcome to the forums

Shawn White:
Do I need to switch to a Logos application on my laptop?

Yes, I believe so. I would use the Logos app available at https://www.logos.com/product/168880/logos-8-basic

Shawn White:
Will it import my Noet library?

Yes it will - assuming you use the same login credentials as the ones you used when purchasing your resources

Shawn White:
How is the best way to go about this?

Install the app from the link above, log in using your credentials and the software will perform its setup and download your resources.

Please let us know if you run into any problems

Graham

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Levi Durfey | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 3 2020 6:45 AM

Shawn White:

I do have a question. As a Ph.D. student (Philosophy of Humanities) I purchased a bunch of material/books on the Noet platform. I work on a Mac (OS 10.15.4 - Catalina) and I can no longer access my application. Do I need to switch to a Logos application on my laptop? Will it import my Noet library? How is the best way to go about this?

Shawn

Hi Shawn...welcome to the forums!

Yes, all Noet books will work fine in the Logos application. You can get Logos 8 Basic here: https://www.logos.com/product/168880/logos-8-basic

Once you download and install the app, sign with your user account. All your Noet books will download (if you choose the "Everything" install). Let us know if you have any issues.

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Shawn White | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 3 2020 9:09 AM

Thank you, Graham.

That worked beautifully.

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Shawn White | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 3 2020 9:10 AM

Thank you, Levi - that worked beautifully!

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