Search: imperative verbs used by Paul, for example

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Deon Holtzhausen | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Apr 25 2020 11:35 AM

Hi again.

I am sure that this is possible but I am not sure how to construct such a search string.

Can you please assist.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 25 2020 12:13 PM

Open a Morph Search

Set the Parameters (version & section) - in this case "Pauline Epistles"

In the Query field type an @ then specify the morph - Verb, any tense, any person, imperative Mood

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Deon Holtzhausen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 25 2020 12:18 PM

Thank you David. Much appreciated.

God bless.

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Deon Holtzhausen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 25 2020 12:40 PM

David, thank you once again.

This is what I have: <LogosMorphGr ~ V??M????> and it works perfectly well.

Maybe I's trying a too big chunk ... I need to search for all places where Paul commands his readers to do good. The "do good" search on its ow, is: <Sense = good (moral)> BUT I don't know how to use these two together. I have tried this as a Morph search as well, with no results: <LogosMorphGr ~ V??M????> INTERSECTS <Sense = good (moral)>

Will appreciate some direction with this. I am sure it is possible but I don't know how to tell this to Logos.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 25 2020 7:17 PM

Deon Holtzhausen:
<LogosMorphGr ~ V??M????> INTERSECTS <Sense = good (moral)>

Changing INTERSECTS to NEAR finds one result of imperative verb NEAR good adjective in Titus 3:14

Bible Sense Lexicon has entries starting with "to" for verbs. Leaving out = in Sense search allows children to be searched: e.g. <Sense = to do good> can also be searched using <Sense to do (act)> 

<Sense to do (act)> INTERSECT <LogosMorphGr ~ V??M????>

Going back to imperative verbs used by Paul can look for more verb sense(s). For example, give in Romans 6:13 has <Sense = to offer> that is a descendant of <Sense to give (transfer)> so an expanded search is:

(<Sense to do (act)> OR <Sense to give (transfer)>)  INTERSECT <LogosMorphGr ~ V??M????>

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 25 2020 8:14 PM

Deon Holtzhausen:
. I have tried this as a Morph search as well, with no results: <LogosMorphGr ~ V??M????> INTERSECTS <Sense = good (moral)>

You could use NEAR as these are different words, but an imperative sentence is better e.g.

{Section <Sentence = Imperative>} INTERSECTS <Sense = good (moral)>, <Sense good (moral concept)>

where I use another sense of 'good'. You can add other <Sense...> as appropriate.

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Deon Holtzhausen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 25 2020 10:27 PM

Thank you very much, Gentlemen.

I really appreciate your help & time. Lifesaving replies.

Have a great Sunday.

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Deon Holtzhausen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 26 2020 2:23 AM

Dave Hooton:

{Section <Sentence = Imperative>} INTERSECTS <Sense = good (moral)>, <Sense good (moral concept)>

Thank you very much for your reply. I seems I was heading in the right direction.

Another 2 questions with regards to your search string: Where did you find, knew to also use <Sense good (moral concept)> ? Is there a list available?

When do I need to use (?????) and when to use {?????} ?

Thanks. Deon

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Martin Wetzel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 26 2020 4:17 AM

maybe also with louw nida and syntax search:

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 26 2020 8:45 AM

Deon Holtzhausen:
When do I need to use (?????) and when to use {?????} ?

Challenging question. Bible Sense Lexicon has original language lemma's assigned to senses, which allows searching for sense related words in the entire Bible. Caveat: am finding Bible Sense Lexicon has an amazing variety of English words used for grouping and organization.

Section search idea for New Testament is intersection of Imperative Sentences with Preaching Themes.

FYI: Sentence Type documentation has a limitation that has changed. This search can be used in the entire Bible:

({Section <PreachingTheme = Holy Spirit: Fruit>} OR {Section <PreachingTheme = Giving>} OR {Section <PreachingTheme = Glory>} OR {Section <PreachingTheme = Freedom>}) INTERSECT {Section <Sentence = Imperative>} 

Deon Holtzhausen:
Is there a list available?

Type:Manual in Library has useful documentation: e.g. Bible Sense Lexicon, Commands in the Bible, Preaching Themes, Sentence Types

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 26 2020 1:09 PM

Just to clarify my approach:

Deon Holtzhausen:
Where did you find, knew to also use <Sense good (moral concept)> ? Is there a list available?

If you type <Sense good in a Search box, a drop down will appear with related alternatives. Select the one(s) you want.

If you type good in the Find box of Tools > Bible Sense Lexicon, you will get a similar list with more explanation.

Deon Holtzhausen:
When do I need to use (?????) and when to use {?????} ?

I find text that is an example of what I'm looking for e.g. from your imperative verb Search. Right click a word and look for "Imperative..." on the left side (expand items with an arrow) e.g. <> Imperative Sentence. Select that and select a Search on the right side to get {Section <Sentence = Imperative>}.

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