Further Patrologia volumes?

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Hapax Legomena | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, May 9 2020 11:07 AM

Has there been any info about the release of further Patrologia Graeca volumes?  With Logos 9 perhaps? Just a guess.

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LW | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 9 2020 12:56 PM

And Patrologia Latina, please. :) Having these volumes in logos/Verbum, especially the Graeca volumes, is really great! Thank you to Faithlife for work done on these so far. 

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David Wanat | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 9 2020 1:27 PM

Are you talking about Migne? If so, it’s on prepub:

https://www.logos.com/product/28902

https://www.logos.com/product/28903/patrologiae-cursus-completus-series-graeca

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 9 2020 3:14 PM

And it has been on prepub since before Logos 8 came out. They decided to bring some volumes into the Orthodox packages for 8. I hope that this trend continues...

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Hapax Legomena | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 12 2020 4:17 AM

Logos folks?  I understand it's a big project.  I'm hoping to see the next batch sometime.  PL would be nice too.  These will be a big selling point to academic libraries and seminaries.  I'm happy to be patient, but any plans or progress, pretty please?

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Kevin Clemens | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 12 2020 4:47 AM

I assume they are planning on working through the volumes gradually and will make them available sequentially. That said, I wouldn't mind if they wanted to be selective and privilege certain authors. A few I would definitely put at the top of my list:

  • PG 25-28: Athanasius
  • PG 47-64: John Chrysostom
  • PG 68-76: Cyril of Alexandria
  • PL 14-17: Ambrose
  • PL 32-47: Augustine
  • PL 54-56: Leo the Great
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LW | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 12 2020 1:11 PM

I assume they are planning on working through the volumes gradually and will make them available sequentially. That said, I wouldn't mind if they wanted to be selective and privilege certain authors. A few I would definitely put at the top of my list:

  • PG 25-28: Athanasius
  • PG 47-64: John Chrysostom
  • PG 68-76: Cyril of Alexandria
  • PL 14-17: Ambrose
  • PL 32-47: Augustine
  • PL 54-56: Leo the Great

I'm totally with you there, Kevin! I second this suggestion.

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LW | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 12 2020 1:23 PM

A question to readers of this thread, who, like me, would be glad to have a number of books from Migne's Patrologiae: Do you think we should also ask for Sources Chrétiennes, either particular volumes (hopefully affordable for individuals) or the whole series (which good seminaries and universities should want)?

And for that matter: Souter's Glossary of Later Latin (best as integrated in some simple but visibly distinct way into the Oxford Latin Dictionary), and/or Albert Blaise's Dictionnaire Latin-Français des Auteurs Chrétiennes?

Would you guys buy these things?

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HJ. van der Wal | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 12 2020 6:18 PM

LW:

Would you guys buy these things?

I would certainly be interested in buying these resources.

Mind you, I am not very optimistic about getting French language resources into production anytime soon without a French product manager working at FL. 

In the German subforum several volumes of the Bibliothek der Kirchenväter (public domain) have been shared as personal books: https://wiki.logos.com/Kostenlose_Werke#Apostolische_V.c3.a4ter_und_Kirchenv.c3.a4ter 

The more recent Fontes Christiani series (with German translations) is also something I would really like to have in Logos. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 12 2020 7:05 PM

For those who wonder why I haven't weighed in -- I strongly believe that FL has a strong marketing potential by going heavily into the Church Fathers. I support whatever options the students, scholars, researchers, and dilettantes (e.g. me) think meets their needs.

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Hapax Legomena | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 13 2020 10:42 AM

These are potential gold mine: Although (because) the market is small, look at the price of most academic journals.  I think Faithlife knows this and this probably explains why the inital release was greenlighted, although it had languished for years in community pricing.With OCRing, the cost is limited to the (off shore?) labor cost of proofing and tagging.  With two graduate degrees (classics and theology), I'm the rare individual who would pay a lot of money for such things.  I'm assuming the series will continue, I just wonder about the time table. I need to save up.

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LW | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 13 2020 9:31 PM

H.J., thanks for the links! I'm glad to know of the interest in Patristics, but I'm afraid I don't know any German. That being said, if anyone put Koetschau's Origenes Werke volumes into Personal Books and shared them (I assume they're out of copyright-?), I would be very pleased on account of the Greek and Latin texts. I think you're right about the French resources.

Hapax, good point about the labor involved in OCR-ing the Patrologiae, with that often painfully poor print quality. (At least, the volumes and micro-fiches that I have seen were hard on the eyes).

God bless Faithlife for all their efforts! I'm grateful for texts in any of these series.

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Kevin Clemens | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 13 2020 9:36 PM

LW:

A question to readers of this thread, who, like me, would be glad to have a number of books from Migne's Patrologiae: Do you think we should also ask for Sources Chrétiennes, either particular volumes (hopefully affordable for individuals) or the whole series (which good seminaries and universities should want)?

I'd be all for Sources Chrétiennes, as well as Corpus Christianorum Series Latina and Series Graeca, which are also critical editions. Insofar as Migne is public domain, my inclination is that this will be the most lucrative for Faithlife for the time being. 

That said, having the first 18 vols. of PG and a host of other Church Fathers in translation (the NCP translation of Augustine, more volumes of Popular Patristics, newer volumes of CUA Church Fathers, among others) has made for deeper depths to plumb in Logos/Verbum when it comes to Patristic theology and the reception of Scripture in the early centuries.  

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