Searching for OT instances of Lord without the Tetragrammaton?

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Liam | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Jul 20 2020 2:31 AM

Anyone know how to go about this?

Thanks in advance!

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 20 2020 2:51 AM

How about Lord NOTEQUALS <Lemma ~ lbs/he/יהוה>

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 20 2020 12:36 PM

Perfect Graham! Thank you very much!!!

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 27 2020 1:58 PM

Ok I just tried this on the NLT and it's not working. It just finds every instance of Lord. Any other ideas?

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 27 2020 2:03 PM

Here's the search parameters:

Lord NOTEQUALS <lemma ~ lbs/he/יהוה>

Is this correct? It looks to me exactly the same as your example.

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 27 2020 2:07 PM

2,161 results between Genesis & Joshua. I'm pretty sure that's the same number of uses of Lord in general. 

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 27 2020 2:10 PM

OK, I tried this:

Lord ANDNOT <lemma ~ lbs/he/יהוה>

Is this what I should be doing instead? Only found 20 results. That's more like what I was expecting.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 27 2020 2:21 PM

Liam:

Ok I just tried this on the NLT and it's not working. It just finds every instance of Lord. Any other ideas?

This is because for some reason (bug), the NLT RI has YHWH assigned to "the" of "the Lord" and nothing (just a pointer) to Lord - other bibles are the other way round.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 27 2020 4:46 PM

Liam:

OK, I tried this:

Lord ANDNOT <lemma ~ lbs/he/יהוה>

Is this what I should be doing instead? Only found 20 results. That's more like what I was expecting.

No. That will exclude all instances of Lord in a verse i.e. both Lord with and Lord without the Tetragrammaton.

With Reverse Interlinears, there will be difficulties because of the alignment and order of Hebrew words to English (as with NLT in particular). With ESV,  (Lord NOT  INTERSECTS <lemma ~ lbs/he/יהוה>)  will be more satisfactory ---> using Match Case & Match All word Forms. But it will include results where Lord is inserted into the translation and it will include verses with "Lord God" . And the latter is difficult to exclude. You can run a separate search ("Lord God" NOT INTERSECTS <lemma ~ lbs/he/יהוה>) to determine its influence.

EDIT: If you use NRSV you get much less results because of referents e.g. lord instead of Lord, or inserted referents e.g. Gen 18.10.

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NB.Mick:
This is because for some reason (bug), the NLT RI has YHWH assigned to "the" of "the Lord" and nothing (just a pointer) to Lord

This is fixed in the latest update to the NLT reverse interlinear.

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 9 2020 4:45 PM

Perfect!

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