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Michael Kinch | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 28 2020 4:15 AM

Darnell L. Hope Sr.:

User Books was a great tool. I used it to work on a variety of books I am writing as an author. I know Logos has something similar but, I just found  Wordsearch more manageable to use. However, I do plan to see what Logos has.

Hello Darnell. I think that Logos Personal Books is way ahead of the Wordsearch User Books. I had a number of issues with User Books and spoke to people at Wordsearch numerous times.  User Books were not searchable so you needed to do a workaround if you wanted to be able to search them. My biggest issue though was that you were limited in the size of the book. It would fail if my book was too large so then I had to go back and break it down to smaller books. Definitely not what I wanted. Keep Smiling posted a link to a video that gives the basics of Personal Books in Logos.  Personal Books are much more powerful than what you will see in that video.  Make yourself acquainted with them and then play around with them. I think you will like them. It is one of my favorite features in Logos.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 12 2020 5:57 PM

Hi Phil Gons:

If my memory serves me well, I think in WS you can add pdf to the content.

To me, what makes Logos software top of line is the superb proximity search capabilities.

If there was a way to allow Logos 9 to be able to let pdf to be searched, in my opinion that would put the software light years ahead of other software.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 13 2020 10:31 AM

Hamilton Ramos:
If there was a way to allow Logos 9 to be able to let pdf to be searched, in my opinion that would put the software light years ahead of other software.

Thread => What is the status of being able to import PDF and ePub into Logos? includes:

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

The "technical" answer is that it's much, much simpler to extract the text from a DOCX file (which is based on XML, an open standard), than a PDF file. This article is a great overview of some of the many problems you will encounter when attempting to do so: https://filingdb.com/b/pdf-text-extraction 

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 13 2020 1:43 PM

Thanks KS4J:

If I am not mistaken someone mentioned using notes by importing the pdf content to it.

Do you know if that is feasible? are notes in L9 searchable using proximity search?

what about the option of importing webarchive files (saves from Safari browser in Mac)?

Many times there is interesting / useful information from the web, that is unretrievable after a while, if unable to use proximity search to get to the particular location for  the info.

Any ideas?

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Mark Jackson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2020 1:10 PM

Yes! Absolutely!

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Jeff LaBorg | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 5 2021 10:19 AM

I completely agree with your comments. I am so disappointed that Lifeway/Faithlife made the decision forcing us into LOGOS Bible software. Those of us that used WordSearch did so because we like that platform and the fact that it was built for the local pastor and preacher. If we wanted to use LOGOS we would have purchased that software. Now thousands of us are left with no alternative because those living in theological towers think they know what is best for those of us in the local church. 

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Jeff LaBorg | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 5 2021 11:54 AM

Give us back the option to use WordSearch. If the 1000's of pastors that invested in building their WordSearch libraries had wanted LOGOS, they would have bought LOGOS and not WordSearch. Why add this burden to pastors that are in the midst of cultural chaos and a covid pandemic?  LOGOS and WordSearch existed separately and gave pastors a choice according to their needs and preferences. It is pointless to have tell you what we want to see integrated or added to LOGOS when we had a wonderful tool at our disposal in WordSearch.  

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 5 2021 12:35 PM

Jeff LaBorg:
Give us back the option to use WordSearch

No one has taken away your ability to use WordSearch. You may continue to use it until you move to an incompatible operating system. You simply have the option to use Logos starting anytime from now until WordSearch fails due to operating system or hardware failures.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 5 2021 12:38 PM

Jeff LaBorg:
Now thousands of us are left with no alternative because those living in theological towers think they know what is best for those of us in the local church. 

Do we really need such unfounded accusations? Wordsearch failed in the marketplace. Be glad that it was sold so that you aren't simply waiting for the value to disappear as has occurred with some other Bible softwares. You are not forced to switch immediately, you are simply given the opportunity to retain your value when and if you need to switch software.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Michael Kinch | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 5 2021 1:21 PM

Jeff LaBorg:

Give us back the option to use WordSearch. If the 1000's of pastors that invested in building their WordSearch libraries had wanted LOGOS, they would have bought LOGOS and not WordSearch. Why add this burden to pastors that are in the midst of cultural chaos and a covid pandemic?  LOGOS and WordSearch existed separately and gave pastors a choice according to their needs and preferences. It is pointless to have tell you what we want to see integrated or added to LOGOS when we had a wonderful tool at our disposal in WordSearch.  

Jeff I also had a large Wordsearch library even though I have a large Logos library as well. I do agree that Wordsearch should have given its customers the option of their input.  Wordsearch was a good program but it did have its limitations and realistically its day was over. Some of the functions did not work as they were intended to. Wordsearch would have had to do a major overhaul in order to provide us with a decent upgrade. They were not willing to make that investment. I think that if we were given the option of voting on which compatible program to move to the majority of us would have chosen Logos. Yes there is a large learning curve in making the transition but I have found it to be well worth the investment both in terms of time and cost. I can use as little or as much of the computing power of Logos as I want and most days I don't use a lot of it. But when I need it I know that it is there and if I have problems figuring something out I can come to the forums and multiple Logos users are more than happy to help me out with that. Wordsearch disabled their forum features a number a years ago and so if I had a problem with a Wordsearch feature I only had Wordsearch employees to turn to. I could never figure out why Wordsearch did that.  Yes there were a couple of Wordsearch forums set up by individual users but they were not very active. What I have found is the more I use Logos the more I appreciate what I can do with it. I am also thankful that now I have the majority of my digital resources in one library where I can utilize them together. My advice would be to continue to use Wordsearch as long as you have access to it while at the same time develop your skills with Logos. If I had the choice of Logos or Wordsearch I would have chosen Logos hands down. God bless you as you study His Word and seek to serve Him.

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John W Gillis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 10 2021 8:16 PM

One of the things I thought was really nice in Wordsearch that I've missed in Logos is the verse picker navigation tool for Bibles and other resources with Bible indexes. Unlike the similar Logos navigation box, you could click the down arrow and drill down as far as verse number level with your mouse - no need to type (although you could if you wanted to).

A similar control was used in Dictionary/Headword type resources, and the drop-down would be populated with an alphabetical list of the headword entries. For multi-index resources, Logos offers a drop-down on click to select which index to navigate by. Wordsearch solved that by providing a second drop-down of available indexes, which would drive the content of the navigation control:

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John W Gillis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 10 2021 8:45 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
What are your favorite Wordsearch features? What would you like to see us add to or improve in Logos?

Now that my old resources are (mostly) over into Logos, arguably the biggest thing I miss from Wordsearch is the the verse picker navigation control on Bibles and other resources with Bible indexes. You could click the drop-down arrow on the control to drill down thru book-chpt-verse screens to change your location without having to type (although you could type if you wanted).

They had something similar for Dictionary/Headword type resources, where the drop-down would be populated with an alphabetical list of the headword entries. For multi-index resources, Logos provides a drop-down (on click) for selecting the index to navigate by in its similar but type-only box. Wordsearch solved that multi-index problem by providing a 2nd drop-down for selecting the index, which would drive the content of the navigation control, so you could still drop down the navigation control to select an entry from its list, based on the index selected.

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J Peter Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2021 7:42 AM

I must say that this click-down feature in WORDsearch from Bible book to Chapter to verse was/is very helpful.

I have found in LOGOS that I have to type in the book, chapter & verse that I am wanting to read in various Bible versions.

That facility together with the 'Back' & 'Forward' arrows on the bar at the top of the WORDsearch page were/are a very useful facility. I haven't found anything similar in LOGOS yet. 

I trust that this helps.

Peter

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2021 8:33 AM

J Peter Wilson:
I must say that this click-down feature in WORDsearch from Bible book to Chapter to verse was/is very helpful.

Mobile App has Selector: Book, Chapter, Verse next to location, which would be an appreciated addition so Please Vote:

Desktop => https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/add-bible-book-chapter-verse-selector-to-locator-bar-for-navigation

Web App => https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-web-app/posts/add-bible-book-chapter-verse-selector-for-navigation

J Peter Wilson:
I have found in LOGOS that I have to type in the book, chapter & verse that I am wanting to read in various Bible versions.

Thankful for Bible Book Abbreviations

Entering Abbreviation shows verse & pericopes for location selection (can use period between chapter & verse) (verse default is 1)

J Peter Wilson:
That facility together with the 'Back' & 'Forward' arrows on the bar at the top of the WORDsearch page were/are a very useful facility. I haven't found anything similar in LOGOS yet. 

Locator Bar in Logos Tab has (Back) < > (Forward) along with History drop down

Tools => History has Tab Navigation list (can click an entry to open Tab to a previous location)

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2021 8:39 PM

MJ. Smith:

Do we really need such unfounded accusations? Wordsearch failed in the marketplace. Be glad that it was sold so that you aren't simply waiting for the value to disappear as has occurred with some other Bible softwares. You are not forced to switch immediately, you are simply given the opportunity to retain your value when and if you need to switch software.

MJ. Smith ---   me thinks your reply was a bit terse...

I would like to think people can share their frustrations on here without someone brow-beating them?  Are we not all learning or does one have to be on the same page as someone else in order to post on here? 

As I understand things, we all make mistakes... that's how learning takes place.... we make a mistake and ask... and learn. 

imho.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2021 9:15 PM

xnman:
MJ. Smith ---   me thinks your reply was a bit terse...

I have often been accused of being terse - why say twice what I can say once - and precise. Share justified frustrations freely but expect me to waste my time with frustrations built on misunderstandings -- assume I will try to alleviate the frustration with reality.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2021 12:34 AM

Jeff LaBorg:
Give us back the option to use WordSearch

Now thousands of us are left with no alternative because those living in theological towers think they know what is best for those of us in the local church. 

We 'xnmen' or 'other types of adam' need to be careful with our words. Especially when we are frustrated.

xnman:

MJ. Smith ---   me thinks your reply was a bit terse...

I would like to think people can share their frustrations on here without someone brow-beating them?  Are we not all learning or does one have to be on the same page as someone else in order to post on here? 

Truth is important.

The truth is that nothing has stopped anyone using Wordsearch other than user error in changing the system that they run the program on.

The truth is that when one was using Wordsearch there were at least three alternatives that one could have used.

The truth is that when eventually Wordsearch ceases to work there are still at least two alternatives that can be used.

The truth is that had the Wordsearch company gone to the wall, shut down its servers, and disappeared into the mist then all its users would really have been forced to make a choice which of the alternatives to pay for. The way things have happened is that now there is one of those alternatives that Wordsearch users have a free leg up on.

Folks are always welcome to vent pretty much any frustration about the software, its resources, and its functions however when chaps misrepresent the situation, or fail in their understanding of the 'real' situation, then it is the xnman's duty to point out the error. Always with the caveat that they may be wrong themselves and stand to be corrected.

I fail to discern a verifiable true fact in Jeff's post other than he that he agrees with some undefined previous submission.

tootle pip

Mike

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2021 5:21 AM

It doesn't hurt to be kind.

xn = Christan  man=man

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2021 12:24 PM

xnman:

It doesn't hurt to be kind.

If you think that principle was violated, I apologize for your misunderstanding of my intent - I obviously failed to communicate clearly.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2021 12:31 PM

terse is a form of smart mouth.  It's sometimes like a verbal slap. It is never kind.

xn = Christan  man=man

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