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Dale Earp | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Sep 25 2020 11:52 AM

I'm a former user of QuickVerse and WordSearch since 1995, and I had all my personal books in .pdf format stored inside the programs.  When I switched to Logos 8, they only support .docx format for the books.  I've tried converting the pdf books to put them into Logos, but always get multiple errors, the last time there were over 100.  As such, Logos software does not accept the books.  Does anyone have a workaround to have pdf books convert backwards into a .docx file?  I'm currently using Office 365 Pro, and that's probably the latest software version for something like that.. Any thoughts would be appreciated..

Thanks, a confused new Logos user..

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 25 2020 12:04 PM

Hi Dale - and welcome to the forums

Have you tried opening the PDF file in Microsoft Word and then saving it as a .docx file?

If it is straight text that should get you close - if there are tables or more involved formatting a different approach is probably going to be needed.

Graham 

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 25 2020 1:23 PM

Dale Earp:

I'm a former user of QuickVerse and WordSearch since 1995, and I had all my personal books in .pdf format stored inside the programs.  

Thanks, a confused new Logos user..

Are they converting your pdf format personal books into Logos readable files?

Were they all searchable in WordSearch?  [That is did all the pdf files have to have a text layer?]

To the best of your knowledge were the personal book that started as pdf files converted into "normal" WordSearch format files?

Was the pdf file the input that WordSearch used as source for the personal book?

Did you have to create the pdf file or just pull one off the internet?

Office 365 Pro does not do OCR as far as I know.  It leaves sections that do not have a text layer as a graphic in the final docx file.

Some of us have been asking to use pdf files as input for some time.  Somewhere in the package that they bought is the source code of getting pdf files into the system as resources.  The WordSearch resources are convertible to Logos formats. Logos can no longer say that they do not know how to get pdf files into the system. Worst case: convert pdf to WordSource format then convert to Logos format.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 25 2020 1:26 PM

Dale Earp:
Does anyone have a workaround to have pdf books convert backwards into a .docx file?  I'm currently using Office 365 Pro, and that's probably the latest software version for something like that..

Welcome Big Smile

Concur Office 365 Pro is one of the software options. LibreOffice is another. Also have used a PDF viewer (e.g. Preview on macOS) to copy text followed by paste into a document.

Logos Wiki Using the Forums includes Searching the forum using Google

site:community.logos.com pdf grainger

results include => "Importing" a PDF

Thread Logos 9 Wishlist includes reply by Bradley Grainger (Faithlife)

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

David Ames:

One main problem for PDF files is that some are just pictures of text. Yes, maybe they could be converted but only as page after page of pictures of text. And thus, not searchable

Even PDFs that have text (not just page scans) can be surprisingly difficult to extract text from. I highly recommend reading https://www.filingdb.com/pdf-text-extraction to give an overview of the problems that could be encountered.

Concur some textual PDF's can be quite challenging to convert (easier to read PDF on screen so can type into a new document).

Keep Smiling Smile

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Dale Earp | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 25 2020 4:17 PM

Update: Thanks for all the quick responses so far.  I used Word to convert the pdf file to docx.  The file looks fine, but will not import to Logos 8.  The books are old books, such as Book of Jasper, various books of Enoch etc. that are in pdf format.  I guess the only thing that I can do is wait for Logos to have that kind of capability to read or access pdf literature.  Very few people I know of keeps any kind of document or book in .docx format; there is no security or formatting that will be guaranteed as a pdf file has.  The books have lists, pictures, graphs etc. and I see why Logos can't handle it.  But... in todays world that is needed more and used more across the world, to keep formatting correct with different devices, and also gives the capability for security.  I think this whole issue is Logos not having a license for pdf files, but... they now have a license for a .docx file, which is Microsoft, and they now have ,pdf capability in their products.  This may be the road they need to look down.. Just a thought from an old timer...

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 25 2020 4:34 PM

Dale Earp:
I used Word to convert the pdf file to docx.  The file looks fine, but will not import to Logos 8.

What error message(s) appear in the log file when docx is compiled using the Personal Books Tool ?

Logos wiki includes links: 

FYI: one error cause is a paragraph with no text (work around is adding a space).

Keep Smiling Smile

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 25 2020 6:06 PM

Dale, another thing you can try is to attach a copy of one of your .docx files and we can try to build it in Logos to see what is going on.

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Dale Earp | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 26 2020 3:09 PM

Bill and everyone watching this.  I apologize for not returning your answer sooner but I was all day watching "The Return" on the Internet.  AWESOME, so many people so involved and happy to be serving and praising the Lord for the healing of America.  We do need to wake up the citizens of America!

I've included one of the .docx files for your use and maybe see how to fashion a way to import it/them in Logos 8.

Wish you well and safe in GOD!    5488.The Book of Nahum.docx

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 5:49 AM

Try One: Download file

Load as DUMMY000

256 errors: [Error] Document contains an unsupported VML image which will not appear in the final document. To use this embedded image, open the document in Word, select “Save As...”, and deselect the “Maintain compatibility with previous versions of Word” option. Then rebuild the book.

Save As  done with COMPATIBILITY NOTCHECKED

NOW ONLY TWO ERRORs

 Noted that all the text is all in lots of text boxes   [Don't know if that is the problem but that is what I have seen - more latter]  

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 6:14 AM

Cut everything out of the file except the first line:  A.S.K.  (...) 

And it still gives ERROR

[Info] Compiling

[Error] Error while building book: Error compiling resource.

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Dale Earp | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 6:26 AM

Good morning!  Just one word.. Wow. 

It would be very time consuming to have to figure each book out like you are doing, we just need the simple fix of adding pdf support.  It's a main file in so many items.  In my business we turn nearly everything into a pdf file for stability across platforms, and to lessen customers from changing an item. Thanks for the try David! 

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 6:29 AM

Copied text on page one in the text boxes to a new file without text boxes.  Did not copy the graphic nor the chart. Compiled that one page OK.

Hopefully some one with more knowledge on text boxes will reply.

WOW is what I do for fun.  Can you post the pdf file? [and maybe we can see what we can do to that to not get text boxes] {{maybe!}}

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 8:40 AM

When I opened the .docx file originally I thought of the problem with all the text in text boxes. Some pdf converters will do this if the goal is for the converted .docx file to maintain graphical compatibility with the pdf. The converted .docx file is virtually impossible to work with.

For PBBs, it yields a better result to convert the pdf to text only and them reformat everything. That usually produces a cleaner PBB

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Dale Earp:
I guess the only thing that I can do is wait for Logos to have that kind of capability to read or access pdf literature. 

We have no plans to provide this: https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-8/suggestions/1096505-pdf-docx-files 

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 9:49 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

We have no plans to provide this: 

That links states:

Personal Book Builder can convert docx files into Logos books.   We will not be adding PDF import/conversion. 

 But look at the date of that reply: Nov 27, 2014

That is some time before Logos added some customers who are used to importing pdf files into their Bible software.  Software that Logos now owns the source code for.  Logos can no longer claim that it does not know how to input pdf files unless it fired all the programers from the company that Logos bought. 

They can, however, still say that they do not want to.

And why would that be? Try reading:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/126859/848584.aspx#848584    

 It appears that most of the users use personal books to input converted pdf files found on the internet.  Public domain ‘stuff’ that Logos claims that it wants to import into Logos and then charge us for doing so.  So Logos sees personal books as competing against themselves. 

Then there are some of us that are importing pdf files that Logos will NEVER import as there are not enough Logos users to pay for their conversion as most of Logos customers are not interested in the books that we want. 

Some pdf files convert OK using Word.  For others I use a OCR program.  [Optical Character Recognition Software that converts the pictures of letters / words into editable text  Its is not perfect. The one I use too often converts John 3:16 to Johri 3: 16]

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Dale Earp | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 10:28 AM

I thank everyone for their replies.  It appears Faithlife has no desire to add pdf support.  In Wordsearch, we inserted more than pdf files, we inserted jpg and other files because a person doing serious studies likes as much as possible to have their material in one place.  It's not about not buying off Logos or whoever, it's about the software your using flowing in one spot for your needs; easy access. Logos should join the future with this; even Wordsearch realized the necessity.  I will pray about it..

Thank you everyone.. 

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 11:35 AM

Dale Earp:
a person doing serious studies likes as much as possible to have their material in one place

I understand that a PDF browser is different from supporting PDF import into PBB. That's a slightly different suggestion, although it's currently closed as a duplicate: https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-8/suggestions/31520608-read-pdf-books-in-logos

We asking our new customers what their favourite Wordsearch features are, and we do take customer feedback into account when updating our roadmaps for the future: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/193813.aspx 

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 12:38 PM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

We asking our new customers what their favourite Wordsearch features are, and we do take customer feedback into account when updating our roadmaps for the future: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/193813.aspx 

Dale: There is hope yet! 

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Dale Earp | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 4:13 PM

David, I live my life based upon the truly great hope, the love of my life, my redeemer.  I put everything into his hands and praise him before the answer comes.  That gives you real life. 

Thanks for your reply... 

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 3 2020 4:58 AM

Dale Earp:

I've included one of the .docx files for your use and maybe see how to fashion a way to import it/them in Logos 8.

Maybe if you allowed us to have the PDF file we could try some of the ways we convert a pdf to docx and see if we don't end up with text boxes. [Maybe]

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