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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jul 10 2010 3:11 PM

I have accumulated several historical and current lectionaries and Morning/Evening prayer readings for the American Lutherans. These are in progress of being sent either for proof-reading or to Logos for inclusion in the lectionary feature. However, I would like to include some European Lutheran lectionaries/prayer books. So far with Babelfish.com and Google, I'm failing miserably. Would some of you take pity on me and either direct me to web sites that contain the information or send copies (along with source information) to me at mjespuiva dot aol dot com? Logos will handle any copyright concerns after I give them the data.

Non-Lutherans, feel free to do the same. I also have some Mennonite lectionaries underway and am open to any and all lectionary type material.

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Don | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 11 2010 2:04 PM

MJ. Smith:

mjespuiva dot aol dot com

Shouldn't there be an AT somewhere?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 11 2010 3:07 PM

Don:

MJ. Smith:

mjespuiva dot aol dot com

Shouldn't there be an AT somewhere?

oops mjespuiva AT ...etc.Embarrassed

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Dan Sheppard | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 11 2010 7:06 PM

 

If you are speaking of German, there are some sites to check.

http://www.liturgie.de/liturgie/index.php

There seem to be a lot of things to check, at http://www.worship.ca/sec4.html

I tried googling "lectionary + german + Lutheran" and got some, so try that, too.

 

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 11 2010 11:18 PM

Thank you - it's led me to some useful sites.

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HJ. van der Wal | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 12 2010 1:15 AM

MJ. Smith:

Non-Lutherans, feel free to do the same.

The Netherlands

The Council of Churches in the Netherlands (Raad van Kerken) publishes a three-year Oecumencial Lectionary (Oecumenisch Leesrooster):

http://www.raadvankerken.nl/pagina/86/leesrooster

When you open the pdf titled "Leesrooster 2010-2011", you will find the lectionary of the Dutch Lutheran Service Book (ELD) in the last column.

The files for 2011-2012 and 2012-2013 are available on the website http://www.kindopzondag.nl/leesrooster/

Germany

Try to google for "Kirchenjahr": e.g. http://www.daskirchenjahr.de/tag.php?name=&zeit=Einleitung&typ=Einfuehrung

Sweden

Doesn't Logos already have a Swedish lectionary (http://libronix.se/index.php?id=20)? I would guess it's a lutheran lectionary, but perhaps one of the users from Sweden could confirm this.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 12 2010 2:17 AM

Hendrik-Jan van der Wal:
Doesn't Logos already have a Swedish lectionary (http://libronix.se/index.php?id=20)?

Logos is in big trouble - I wonder what other lectionaries I don't get just because I use the English interface?Big Smile

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HJ. van der Wal | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 12 2010 4:12 AM

EbbeAndréasson just wrote that the Swedish lectionary doesn't work in Logos 4: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/19534.aspx

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Ebbe Andréasson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 12 2010 7:01 AM

MJ. Smith:
I would like to include some European Lutheran lectionaries/prayer books.

As far as I know there is only one Swedish lectionary. This is used by Swedish Lutheran Church as well. It's called Svenska evangeliboken and you can get it free for L3 here: http://www.libronix.se/index.php?unid=9

In november/december, last year, (I think) Bob P promised to compile lectionarys if he get them mailed. After proof-reading the swedish translater sent Svenska evangelieboken to Logos (in january this year) but we are still waiting for it to show up in L4 format. Sad

L4 is much more depending on Logos than L3. This could be an big issue for speakers (readers) of "minor" languages as my self. PBB implementation in L4 will be a huge step in my using of L4. Today I have some swedish bibles and commentarys I can´t read in i L4. Using L4, (I love it!!!) I didn't use my self-produced PBBs in my preparations.

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 12 2010 11:19 PM

EbbeAndréasson:
but we are still waiting for it to show up in L4 format. Sad

I hope I'm part of the solution not part of the problem. After an early release, Bob P. indicated that I might have an opportunity to sit down with Logos staff to discuss how lectionaries should work. I have had a couple of communications with them trying to point out some flaws in the current implementation. I have also sent a set of lectionaries chosen to illustrate the problems.

I do have the USA Catholic daily lectionary - liturgical year cycle out for proofreading as well as the Lutheran version of the Daily Revised Common Lectionary. I have several other lectionaries nearly ready to send to Logos. I do hope the Svenska evangelieboken is released soon - and not just to Swedish users.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 13 2010 4:24 AM

MJ. Smith:
I do have the USA Catholic daily lectionary - liturgical year cycle out for proofreading

Hi MJ, thanks for your hard work on this! I know it's been awhile, I hope Logos can issue these lectionaries soon.  It was easy to create an XML lectionary in L3.

A couple of questions if you don't mind:

a) Will this lectionary show optional readings for Sundays (alternative Gospel, long and short versions, optional 1st or 2nd reading)?

b) Will this lectionary show the extra Gospel for Palm Sunday?

c) Will this lectionary show the extra readings (8 readings and Resp. Psalms) for Easter Vigil?

d) Will readings for Optional Memorials (Saints) be available for Daily Mass days? These are in the red lectionary but do not show up on the USCCB web site.

e) How are solemnities like Ascension handled (which each US ecclesiastical province has authority to set the date to Thur or Sunday)?

Thanks again for your hard work!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 13 2010 10:18 PM

Dominick Sela:
A couple of questions if you don't mind:

a, b, c, d are all yes - with the exception that for d without proper readings I'm uncertain how Logos will handle the commons readings. The four antiphons are also included.

e. I don't know - it falls into an area that I'm still struggling with - variations based on locale or order [Yes, I have the US Dominican overlay - after all I've attended a Dominican church for forty years]

I was delighted to find that the lectionary section for the Passage Guide is in the latest beta.

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Ebbe Andréasson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 15 2010 12:43 AM

MJ. Smith:
After an early release, Bob P. indicated that I might have an opportunity to sit down with Logos staff to discuss how lectionaries should work.

This year we have year two (of three) in the swedish lectionary. It would be great to have an easy way from current day in the lectionary to view last, or next years passages for the current day.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 15 2010 5:27 AM

MJ. Smith:

Dominick Sela:
A couple of questions if you don't mind:

a, b, c, d are all yes - with the exception that for d without proper readings I'm uncertain how Logos will handle the commons readings. The four antiphons are also included.

e. I don't know - it falls into an area that I'm still struggling with - variations based on locale or order [Yes, I have the US Dominican overlay - after all I've attended a Dominican church for forty years]

I was delighted to find that the lectionary section for the Passage Guide is in the latest beta.

Thanks for the reply and great work!!

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Ebbe Andréasson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 18 2010 2:51 AM

MJ. Smith:
I do hope the Svenska evangelieboken is released soon - and not just to Swedish users.

Still waiting... Wink

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 18 2010 9:11 AM

MJ

Are you still looking for more Lutheran lectionaries? I had a look at the Church of Norway's website , and found the link below, which gives their readings. I think you can pretty much figure out which Sunday and which Bible book is which. When not, ask (Apg is Acts; Åp is Rev). There are pdf and excel links as well for the present year, but right now only pdf for the next. I presume excel will probably turn up in about a month, if you want that. And they only seem to have a two-year cycle, so there shouldn't be a need to e-mail them to get more.

http://kirken.no/index.cfm?event=doLink&famId=253

If you want I can poke around on the Danish and the Swedish-speaking part of the Finnish Churches' websites as well.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 18 2010 1:05 PM

fgh:
If you want I can poke around on the Danish and the Swedish-speaking part of the Finnish Churches' websites as well.

That would be much appreciated

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HJ. van der Wal | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 18 2010 2:30 PM

I'm still working on my Hungarian, but I think I've found the lectionary of the Lutheran Church in Hungary:

http://liturgia.lutheran.hu/evangelikus-istentisztelet-liturgikus-konyv/az-istentisztelet-valtozo-reszei/view

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 18 2010 2:39 PM

Church of Denmark

Can't find anything beyond present week's texts. And it seems they have no central church authority whatsoever. There are dioceses, and the only thing above seems to be the Queen and the Parliament. So the place to e-mail would presumably be the Ministry of Ecclesiastical Affairs: km(at)km.dk. Though with such an organization it is of course entirely possible that they have separate lectionaries for each diocese.

EDIT: English Wikipedia claims they do have an official list with 3 readings each Sunday. If I looked around on all the different dioceses' websites, I might find it somewhere eventually, but since I don't know for sure that it's national, i don't think I want to take the time.

 

Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland, Borgå/Porvoo diocese (which is the Swedish-speaking one)

Evangelieboken can be found evbindex.html, in the form of several dozen pdfs. Unlike the Norwegian ones, though, they seem to be copied directly from the book, so you'd probably need permission to use them. Try kirkkohallitus(at)evl.fi.

And index.htm will be useful as well, for the calendar.

presume 2011?OpenView&Start=1&Count=449&ExpandView is the calendar in Finnish, with lectionary links in the left column ('kirkkovuosi'), though I can't exactly read them...

 

Also, don't miss what I believe is the largest Lutheran church in the world, when it comes to believers: Mekane Yesus in Ethiopia (I believe the Church of Sweden is largest when it comes to members). Though  is in English, so that I leave to you. It's nearly midnight here, and I haven't even had dinner yet...

 

(Now I'm just waiting to see if my attempts at making 'nice links' for the first time will work or not. -- Oh no, I made a 'Quick Reply, so now I can't preview!)

 

EDIT: No, they don't look nice at all, but at least they work. All but the one to Mekane Yesus which was left out entirely, for some reason: http://www.eecmy.org/

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HJ. van der Wal | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 18 2010 4:15 PM

fgh:

Church of Denmark

Can't find anything beyond present week's texts. And it seems they have no central church authority whatsoever.

What about http://www.folkekirken.dk/? If I'm not mistaken this is the website of the Danish National Church. On their website they only publish the texts for the present sunday, but you can find more at the website of the Bible Society:

http://www.bibelselskabet.dk/BrugBibelen/Praedikentekster.aspx

 

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