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Pastor Michael Huffman | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Oct 30 2020 9:50 AM

I love the concept around the new Factbook but I have an issue and I do not know if it is a problem or if this is the way that the new Factbook is intended to be used.

I am currently preaching through the book on 1 Timothy to my Sunday Evening Congregation. I have my fact book filter on and I noticed all the words that are underlined; I am in chapter 6 versos 11-14. The words are: flee, fight, hold on; and all of these words link to Timothy in the fact book, not facts about those particular commands, I am assuming that is the case because these were commands given to Timothy and that is the way that the fact book is suppose to work, but wanting to make sure of that. 

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 30 2020 10:25 AM

Greetings Michael

I think you are right in assuming that is the way Facebook works. It is a tool for information about People, Places, Things and Concepts rather than for analysing words.

Have a look at this.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 30 2020 10:26 AM

It works that way for me. If you hover over the underlined word you'll see it will take you to Timothy the person in Factbook.

I don't think this is too useful and I hope FL will make some changes. I think you'd like to see something more helpful.

There is a Factbook entry on Fight of Faith. That would have been the right link in verse 12.

There is a factbook entry on Eternal Life, yet there is no link to those words within verse 12.

I could go on. Factbook tagging isn't very helpful at this point. It wants to find persons, places, and things, even when it has words, concepts, and word senses at its disposal. I hope that improvements can be made. There is a real opportunity her for FL to enhance the user experience.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 30 2020 10:29 AM

Mike Binks:
It is a tool for information about People, Places, Things and Concepts rather than for analysing words.

And yet it creates links under words, not just people, places, and things (or even concepts, which it doesn't seem to be doing either). Factbook has word and concept information in many cases. It just isn't linked properly. I imagine FL knows this and has plans, at least I hope they do, to improve and expand the text linking.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 30 2020 10:43 AM

Mark Smith:

Mike Binks:
It is a tool for information about People, Places, Things and Concepts rather than for analysing words.

And yet it creates links under words, not just people, places, and things (or even concepts, which it doesn't seem to be doing either). Factbook has word and concept information in many cases. It just isn't linked properly. I imagine FL knows this and has plans, at least I hope they do, to improve and expand the text linking.

I think the fundamental issue here is that the underlining in the biblical text only surfaces one piece of information: who this text is referring to. In the case of words like "flee" or "fight", it's telling you who the subject of that verb is.

We have lots more Factbook information on virtually every word in the biblical text in the context (right-click) menu. Example from 1 Tim 6:11. Many of the items on the left lead to Factbook link on the right (along with all the other options).

(Hopefully over time our auto-correctors and fingers won't get tricked into writing Facebook ...)

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 30 2020 11:09 AM

Sean Boisen:
I think the fundamental issue here is that the underlining in the biblical text only surfaces one piece of information: who this text is referring to. In the case of words like "flee" or "fight", it's telling you who the subject of that verb is.

Understood, just not so helpful nor intuitive. One expects to find out something about "flee" when you underline it, not who said to flee (or who is supposed to flee). 

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Pastor Michael Huffman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 3 2020 7:16 AM

Mark Smith:

Sean Boisen:
I think the fundamental issue here is that the underlining in the biblical text only surfaces one piece of information: who this text is referring to. In the case of words like "flee" or "fight", it's telling you who the subject of that verb is.

Understood, just not so helpful nor intuitive. One expects to find out something about "flee" when you underline it, not who said to flee (or who is supposed to flee). 

I agree Mark, the frustration is real.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 3 2020 12:40 PM

Okay folks - look at the text and you will see that it is a filter problem ... the verb form is underlined INSTEAD OF the noun form.

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MJ. Smith:
Okay folks - look at the text and you will see that it is a filter problem ... the verb form is underlined INSTEAD OF the noun form.

This is not what is happening here. The filter is doing what it is intended to do.

The verb is underlined because it is highlighting the implied subject of the verb. You can see this if you open Factbook to Timothy, then in the "Referred to As" section, expand the "Implied subject of verb" under "Translated As". Keep loading more until you get to 1 Timothy 6:12, and you will find that Timothy is the implied subject of the verb fight, e.g. "[Timothy] fight the good fight...".

We recognize that this is confusing, and there was plenty of internal discussion on whether or not to include the implied subjects at release. Unfortunately, excluding them would remove many instances that would also result in confusion as to why the text was not tagged, such as 1 Timothy 6:7, where the phrase "we brought" is only highlighted because the phrase is the translation of a verb with an implied subject.

Ultimately, it was decided to leave these in for the 9.0 release, and the plan is to give the user more control over the configuration of this filter in a future release.

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