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Bob Diebel | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Nov 8 2020 8:38 AM

Please help me with a search to find verses containing a word twice or more

(ie verses containing "Jesus" more than once)

All help much appreciated.

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 8 2020 10:07 AM

Hi Bob,

You can do the search in Greek or Hebrew with an English translation next to it using the Morphological Query in the Docs menu as follows:

You can use the Syntax search, but it is more complex. There may be a way to create a search string in English, but I am not aware of how you would do that.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 8 2020 10:23 AM

A bit less complicated might be a bible search Jesus WITHIN 50 WORDS Jesus :

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 8 2020 11:29 AM

NB.Mick:

A bit less complicated might be a bible search Jesus WITHIN 50 WORDS Jesus :

Agreed!!

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 8 2020 12:00 PM

John Fidel:

NB.Mick:

A bit less complicated might be a bible search Jesus WITHIN 50 WORDS Jesus :

Agreed!!

more complexity brings more precision - thus e.g. to cite the result somewhere in writing, I would suggest to at least go with the Greek lemma. Like <Lemma = lbs/el/Ἰησοῦς> WITHIN 50 WORDS <Lemma = lbs/el/Ἰησοῦς>  

Comparing our results also shows the different boundaries that Logos Search employs: Bible Search has verse boundaries, so it doesn't matter if I change the 50 Words to 1000. Morph Search disregards verse boundaries - I think that's why you opted to go for only 10 Words segments, but still your first hit in Mt 1:25 has the second "Jesus" close, but in Mt 2:1.

Now verses and chapters aren't part of the original. If the task wasn't to find Jesus 2x in 1 verse, but Jesus twice within the same grammatical structure (~sentence), then one would need to go for Syntax Search.        

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 9 2020 5:07 PM

NB.Mick:
Comparing our results also shows the different boundaries that Logos Search employs: Bible Search has verse boundaries, so it doesn't matter if I change the 50 Words to 1000. Morph Search disregards verse boundaries - I think that's why you opted to go for only 10 Words segments,

John should have used 1 Verse as the Span - then the results agree with the Morph Search (using lemma:Ἰησοῦς in SBLGNT).

NB.Mick:
If the task wasn't to find Jesus 2x in 1 verse, but Jesus twice within the same grammatical structure (~sentence), then one would need to go for Syntax Search.     

Syntax Search in SBL version has 61 passages where Jesus occurs 2x in a Sentence (which span up to 7 verses).  The results are ambiguous when restricted to Clause or Phrase (because of embedding).

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Bob Diebel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 10 2020 5:42 AM

Thanx Dave, John & Mick. Much appreciated.

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Mike Hogue | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 10 2020 11:18 AM

This thread intrigued me so I wondered if I could construct a generic search that would pull all words that were repeated twice in a verse.  I selected parts of speech to take "trivial" words (articles, prepositions, conjunctions, etc) out of the picture.  

For some reason, this doesn't pull duplicates of "Jesus" even though SBLGNT codes his name as a noun.  Is this a bug, or am I missing something?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2020 4:40 AM
  • Click the 'Exists' line below Word 3, so it disappears i.e. it does not exist. Then try the search with Ἰησοῦς in the lemma line of Word 1.

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Bob Diebel | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2020 4:56 AM

I would like to work with Mike's Search. I am not up on the syntax search or the Greek versions.

Could someone please give me a full example? All help much appreciated.

In HIM,

Bob Diebel

P. S. I am going through the Syntax Search training. Lest I misuse anyone's time, it might be good to give me a day or two to get trained on this.

At that time, I may be able to ask more informed questions.

Thanx to all.

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Mike Hogue | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2020 7:39 AM

Thanks Dave - I was still looking for a more-generic search but when I unselected "exists" below word 3, Jesus showed up! Smile

My results jumped from 863 to 4,759.  Apparently since I also had "Agree on Lemma" selected my original results were a word that appeared 3x in a verse.

When I unselect the third word, the 2x results show up, but also provide additional/spurious hits when the word appears 3x.  For example, in Matt 1:2, "ἐγέννησεν" appears 3x, but the results have 2 hits: one for the first two hits, and one for the last two. It does not count the first and third as a combination.

Bob - my modified search is below with the change Dave recommended highlighted.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2020 7:41 AM

Bob Diebel:
Could someone please give me a full example? All help much appreciated.

"Full example"? It would be better if you stated a Search that is not possible in normal Morph Search.

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Mike Hogue | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2020 8:09 AM

...and in fact for "word 2" all the part-of-speech selections are redundant, since it has to agree with lemma.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2020 8:10 AM

Mike Hogue:
When I unselect the third word, the 2x results show up, but also provide additional/spurious hits when the word appears 3x.  For example, in Matt 1:2, "ἐγέννησεν" appears 3x, but the results have 2 hits: one for the first two hits, and one for the last two. It does not count the first and third as a combination.

Because I'm a bit rusty on Morph Query, I missed that you must also deselect "In Order" for Word 3 i.e. the first two words appear in order, but a third one can't be present even if it agrees on lemma.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 11 2020 9:34 AM

Bob Diebel:

I would like to work with Mike's Search. I am not up on the syntax search or the Greek versions.

Could someone please give me a full example?

Thread => Searching for Three-peats has Morph Query and Syntax Search examples.

Bob Diebel:

P. S. I am going through the Syntax Search training. Lest I misuse anyone's time, it might be good to give me a day or two to get trained on this.

At that time, I may be able to ask more informed questions.

Suggest creating new threads for questions. Also may find Faithlife group => https://faithlife.com/logos-syntax-search has a number of shared Syntax Search documents that can be freely copied.

Keep Smiling Smile

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