Logos and the MacBook Air M1, compared to a maxed out 2019 MacBook Pro 16"

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Ronnie Sim | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 14 2021 6:07 AM

Thanks Gregory. 

Just to clarify, when you "re-install", do you simply reboot in Recovery mode and re-install (without deleting any files or losing data), or do you erase the hard drive then reinstall OS? 

I have not tried either. The first option sounds more convenient and faster, though the second sounds more comprehensive and cleaner?

Ronnie

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 14 2021 7:26 AM

Ronnie Sim:

Just to clarify, when you "re-install", do you simply reboot in Recovery mode and re-install (without deleting any files or losing data), or do you erase the hard drive then reinstall OS? 

 great question - I erase and  do a first aid check, then reinstall from scratch

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John Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2021 10:45 AM
I just received my Mac mini M1 with 16gb and 1 TB SDD. I also bought a 32" Dell computer. I went to this from a 2010 17" MacBook Pro (specs were horrible because I couldn't run Logos). I don't like my monitor because the difference between the display resolution of the smallest to the next option up is too much of a difference. The smallest resolution is too small and the next size up is too big. I wish there was an in between. I can't fit anything more on my 32" monitor than I could with my 17" monitor. I downloaded only some of resources to my Mac mini when I installed the desktop app for Logos. The home page is choppy. I can't scroll smoothly. The web based app is smooth but the desktop app is sluggish when I scroll. When I was scrolling through resources and picking ones I want to download it was very sluggish and caused me much frustration. Like, if I click on several books to download them when they are downloading and I continue to scroll sometimes it will kick me back up to the last one I downloaded. The Passage guide etc came up quickly but scrolling is sluggish, not smooth like butter. I'm glad the Mac mini brings up my resources quickly when I do a search but other functions like scrolling and clicking through library tabs is frustrating. Like, when I click on "more" to show more topics and do that again and then click on a link it will take me to that. link but when I want to go back it collapses the tabs and then I have to go through the clicking "more" and "more" to get back to the next topic from where I left off. Plus it's sluggish when opening up "more" and "more" and sometimes will just collapse them. It's frustrating to say the least. I wish I had never gotten into Mac and feel like I can't leave it. Logos was not meant to work on Mac
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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2021 11:10 AM

Greetings John

Apple has a generous returns window (two weeks) for folk who are dissatisfied with their products.

Your description though has me wondering if you have allowed all the indexing etc to complete.

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JH | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2021 11:10 AM

John Morgan:
I just received my Mac mini M1 with 16gb and 1 TB SDD. I also bought a 32" Dell computer. I went to this from a 2010 17" MacBook Pro (specs were horrible because I couldn't run Logos). I don't like my monitor because the difference between the display resolution of the smallest to the next option up is too much of a difference. The smallest resolution is too small and the next size up is too big. I wish there was an in between. I can't fit anything more on my 32" monitor than I could with my 17" monitor. I downloaded only some of resources to my Mac mini when I installed the desktop app for Logos. The home page is choppy. I can't scroll smoothly. The web based app is smooth but the desktop app is sluggish when I scroll. When I was scrolling through resources and picking ones I want to download it was very sluggish and caused me much frustration. Like, if I click on several books to download them when they are downloading and I continue to scroll sometimes it will kick me back up to the last one I downloaded. The Passage guide etc came up quickly but scrolling is sluggish, not smooth like butter. I'm glad the Mac mini brings up my resources quickly when I do a search but other functions like scrolling and clicking through library tabs is frustrating. Like, when I click on "more" to show more topics and do that again and then click on a link it will take me to that. link but when I want to go back it collapses the tabs and then I have to go through the clicking "more" and "more" to get back to the next topic from where I left off. Plus it's sluggish when opening up "more" and "more" and sometimes will just collapse them. It's frustrating to say the least. I wish I had never gotten into Mac and feel like I can't leave it. Logos was not meant to work on Mac

Strange. Your experience is nothing like mine on the Mac Mini M1 (same specs as you). It is quite fast for me, only slightly sluggish on the Home Page (Phil Gons, I think, explained why in another post - something that will eventually be addressed). Everything else is very smooth and indexing is VERY fast with the SSD. Have you updated to the latest version of Big Sur?

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John Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2021 11:53 AM

JH:

John Morgan:
I just received my Mac mini M1 with 16gb and 1 TB SDD. I also bought a 32" Dell computer. I went to this from a 2010 17" MacBook Pro (specs were horrible because I couldn't run Logos). I don't like my monitor because the difference between the display resolution of the smallest to the next option up is too much of a difference. The smallest resolution is too small and the next size up is too big. I wish there was an in between. I can't fit anything more on my 32" monitor than I could with my 17" monitor. I downloaded only some of resources to my Mac mini when I installed the desktop app for Logos. The home page is choppy. I can't scroll smoothly. The web based app is smooth but the desktop app is sluggish when I scroll. When I was scrolling through resources and picking ones I want to download it was very sluggish and caused me much frustration. Like, if I click on several books to download them when they are downloading and I continue to scroll sometimes it will kick me back up to the last one I downloaded. The Passage guide etc came up quickly but scrolling is sluggish, not smooth like butter. I'm glad the Mac mini brings up my resources quickly when I do a search but other functions like scrolling and clicking through library tabs is frustrating. Like, when I click on "more" to show more topics and do that again and then click on a link it will take me to that. link but when I want to go back it collapses the tabs and then I have to go through the clicking "more" and "more" to get back to the next topic from where I left off. Plus it's sluggish when opening up "more" and "more" and sometimes will just collapse them. It's frustrating to say the least. I wish I had never gotten into Mac and feel like I can't leave it. Logos was not meant to work on Mac

Strange. Your experience is nothing like mine on the Mac Mini M1 (same specs as you). It is quite fast for me, only slightly sluggish on the Home Page (Phil Gons, I think, explained why in another post - something that will eventually be addressed). Everything else is very smooth and indexing is VERY fast with the SSD. Have you updated to the latest version of Big Sur?

I have Big Sur 11.1. I just got my Mac mini two days ago.

I wrote my reply and then accidentally deleted it. it was long.  I have to be brief.

The Home Screen seems to always be sluggish. Scrolling through the library of books was sluggish only when it was indexing.  I compared scrolling through a book on the desktop app to the web app and it seems the same.

The problem with the library is logos problem not a Mac mini issue. When I click on Library > Series > and then "more" a couple times > then click on a series like Pillar which is far down this and then I go back to the list of series Logos collapses the list and I have to click "more" again and again to get back to Pillar and continue on.  I would like to go back and find the list of series I had open still open so I don't have to click "more" many times.

What monitor do you use? I'm thinking of returning this one and getting one that works better with Mac display.  (System Preference > Display > then I click on the tab just to the left of the one on the furthest to the right that has "more space" written just below it.)  The text for that display option is too small for me but the next one up is too big. With the smallest display option I can have lots of windows open but the text is too small. So I have to go one up but I can't see more on my display than I could with my 17" MacBook Pro.

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John Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2021 12:01 PM

Mike Binks:

Greetings John

Apple has a generous returns window (two weeks) for folk who are dissatisfied with their products.

Your description though has me wondering if you have allowed all the indexing etc to complete.

Mike, see my post above for a reply to your question about if I allowed it to index completely.  The short answer is no. I scrolled though the list of books as the ones I click on to download where downloading and indexing.  

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2021 12:20 AM

Greeting John

I wonder, have you decided to keep your Mac and changed your mind about the assertion...

"I wish I had never gotten into Mac and feel like I can't leave it. Logos was not meant to work on Mac"?

I think you are wise to look again at the monitor that you are pairing the Mac with although I have friends who are more than satisfied with the Dell monitors that they have used.

The vast majority of folk I know, not all Logos users it has to be said, are delighted with their minis. I hope you become one of them when the teething problems are sorted.

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2021 3:48 AM

John Morgan:
The problem with the library is logos problem not a Mac mini issue. When I click on Library > Series > and then "more" a couple times > then click on a series like Pillar which is far down this and then I go back to the list of series Logos collapses the list and I have to click "more" again and again to get back to Pillar and continue on.  I would like to go back and find the list of series I had open still open so I don't have to click "more" many times.

This is a dumb question, John, but when you open the Library are you clicking on it one time, opening the smaller popup window, and then finding your resource, or dragging the Library down into a more permanent panel? If you open the Library with a single click, it goes away once you've made your choice. If you drag it into place (I often keep it as a panel in a custom layout), it SHOULD stay as you left it, searches included.

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2021 3:55 AM

I understand your frustration and I'm not trying to be belligerent here, but saying Logos isn't a good fit for Mac is an odd statement that I'm not sure I know how to absorb.  As it has been stated herein, for the vast majority of users, Logos runs just fine on Intel and M1 Macs.  It's very difficult to diagnose an issue like you're having remotely.  I came from a Late 2013 i7 MacBook Pro and the difference has been remarkable.  Remarkably good.

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John Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2021 5:05 PM

Mike Binks:

Greeting John

I wonder, have you decided to keep your Mac and changed your mind about the assertion...

"I wish I had never gotten into Mac and feel like I can't leave it. Logos was not meant to work on Mac"?

I think you are wise to look again at the monitor that you are pairing the Mac with although I have friends who are more than satisfied with the Dell monitors that they have used.

The vast majority of folk I know, not all Logos users it has to be said, are delighted with their minis. I hope you become one of them when the teething problems are sorted.

Hey, Mike.  I'm going to keep my Mac mini.  You or someone else helped me realize that the complications were due to Logos indexing. It's not as big of an issue as I made it out to be.  

I don't like the monitor because I really don't have more space since the display resolution options are very slim, just four.  The lowest resolution is too small and the next one up is too big.  I really like the that the text is sharp. I was one of the top picks for reading text. I can fit three parallel windows in Logos, but I was hoping for just a little more real-estate.  I'll make it work. I'm not a pastor and don't spend a lot of time using Logos so I'm okay with what I have.  If I was a pastor and using Logos much more then I'd probably get a second monitor.

Thanks for your comments, Mike. I really appreciate them.

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John Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2021 5:13 PM

Gregory Lawhorn:

John Morgan:
The problem with the library is logos problem not a Mac mini issue. When I click on Library > Series > and then "more" a couple times > then click on a series like Pillar which is far down this and then I go back to the list of series Logos collapses the list and I have to click "more" again and again to get back to Pillar and continue on.  I would like to go back and find the list of series I had open still open so I don't have to click "more" many times.

This is a dumb question, John, but when you open the Library are you clicking on it one time, opening the smaller popup window, and then finding your resource, or dragging the Library down into a more permanent panel? If you open the Library with a single click, it goes away once you've made your choice. If you drag it into place (I often keep it as a panel in a custom layout), it SHOULD stay as you left it, searches included.

Hey, Greg.  I was just clicking the library icon next to the home icon.  I tried what you suggested with dragging the library down into a panel.  I got the same issue.  I open the "series" filter.  I click "more" 3x to get to, say, Pillar. I click on Pillar.  Now I want to get back and start looking at the Series right where I left off.  But when I click "x" next to "Series: Pillar NT commentary" and it sends me back to the filters the "Series" filter is open but it shows me only the first few selections, it's collapses the list of series and now I have to press "more" 3 more times to get back to Pillar.

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John Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2021 5:17 PM

Wilson Hines:

I understand your frustration and I'm not trying to be belligerent here, but saying Logos isn't a good fit for Mac is an odd statement that I'm not sure I know how to absorb.  As it has been stated herein, for the vast majority of users, Logos runs just fine on Intel and M1 Macs.  It's very difficult to diagnose an issue like you're having remotely.  I came from a Late 2013 i7 MacBook Pro and the difference has been remarkable.  Remarkably good.

Thanks Wilson.  My comments were said in frustration and with limited understanding.  The comments above gave me greater understanding of what was happening and now my opinion has changed.  I hope I was able to to make that clear in my responses above.  I'm satisfied with the M1 and glad I got it.  Even with the sluggish Home Screen I'd still recommend it. It's very fast, but I came from a 2010 17" MacBook Pro and Logos got to the point where I literally couldn't run any of the guides.

Thanks for your concern.  I really appreciate it. Blessings to you. Grateful for this community

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2021 5:19 PM

Brother!  I'm glad you got it straight!  I knew it had to be something simple!

Wilson Hines

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2021 7:27 PM

John Morgan:

Hey, Greg.  I was just clicking the library icon next to the home icon.  I tried what you suggested with dragging the library down into a panel.  I got the same issue.  I open the "series" filter.  I click "more" 3x to get to, say, Pillar. I click on Pillar.  Now I want to get back and start looking at the Series right where I left off.  But when I click "x" next to "Series: Pillar NT commentary" and it sends me back to the filters the "Series" filter is open but it shows me only the first few selections, it's collapses the list of series and now I have to press "more" 3 more times to get back to Pillar.

OK, I understand what you're saying. I agree, it would be nice if the submenu stayed fully open until/unless the user closes it.  I think that's worth creating a feedback entry for (at https://feedback.faithlife.com); you've got my vote if you want to set it up. 

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John Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2021 8:20 PM

Gregory Lawhorn:

John Morgan:

Hey, Greg.  I was just clicking the library icon next to the home icon.  I tried what you suggested with dragging the library down into a panel.  I got the same issue.  I open the "series" filter.  I click "more" 3x to get to, say, Pillar. I click on Pillar.  Now I want to get back and start looking at the Series right where I left off.  But when I click "x" next to "Series: Pillar NT commentary" and it sends me back to the filters the "Series" filter is open but it shows me only the first few selections, it's collapses the list of series and now I have to press "more" 3 more times to get back to Pillar.

OK, I understand what you're saying. I agree, it would be nice if the submenu stayed fully open until/unless the user closes it.  I think that's worth creating a feedback entry for (at https://feedback.faithlife.com); you've got my vote if you want to set it up. 

greg, I just learned about the feedback page yesterday.  I’m also very new to this community even though I’ve been using Logos for over 15 years. When I heard about the feedback page I decided to mention this issues. I was just too busy yesterday.  I plan to do soon.

Thanks! This has all been very helpful to me

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 29 2021 12:15 AM

John Morgan:
I don't like the monitor because I really don't have more space since the display resolution options are very slim, just four.

Sorry if I am 'teaching my grandmother to suck eggs' John, but have you done this?

3. Changing the screen resolution on an external display
Navigate to 'System Preferences… > Displays. '
Open the 'Optimize for…' dropdown, and select your external display.
Hold down the 'Option' key and give the 'Scaled' button a click.
Select a new screen resolution from the list.

There should be a few more than four on the list.

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John Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 29 2021 2:33 PM

Mike Binks:

John Morgan:
I don't like the monitor because I really don't have more space since the display resolution options are very slim, just four.

Sorry if I am 'teaching my grandmother to suck eggs' John, but have you done this?

3. Changing the screen resolution on an external display
Navigate to 'System Preferences… > Displays. '
Open the 'Optimize for…' dropdown, and select your external display.
Hold down the 'Option' key and give the 'Scaled' button a click.
Select a new screen resolution from the list.

There should be a few more than four on the list.

Thanks, Mike.  I don’t have the ‘Optimize For..” to open.  Once I hit “display” I get what you see in this picture. Sorry it is sideways.  There is no “optimize for”. 

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 30 2021 12:12 AM

John Morgan:
Once I hit “display” I get what you see in this picture. Sorry it is sideways.  There is no “optimize for”. 

Sorry John

I just copied and pasted the instructions without due care and attention.

The key imperative is to hold down the option key before hitting 'Scaled'.

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John Morgan | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 31 2021 5:28 PM

Mike Binks:

John Morgan:
Once I hit “display” I get what you see in this picture. Sorry it is sideways.  There is no “optimize for”. 

Sorry John

I just copied and pasted the instructions without due care and attention.

The key imperative is to hold down the option key before hitting 'Scaled'.

Thanks, Mike.  I pressed the option key before clicking "scaled" and it did give me more options. Unfortunately, it only adds more options beyond the 2560 x 1440 which is the second to the left in the picture I posted. I don't have the 3008 x 1692 as seen in your picture or what appears to be 3200 x 1800.  I don't know why.  It must be a Dell thing.  Thanks for the help.  I didn't know pressing "option" would open up more options.  

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