Sharing personal books accross two computers

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Brian Kom | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Nov 20 2020 4:14 AM

I created a personal book in Logos 9 and it works very well.  I have a laptop and a desktop computer running Logos.  Is there a way for me to make a Logos book that I created on my desktop show up on my laptop or do I have to create the book on my laptop as well.  I apologize for asking such a simple question. Thank you for any help that you can give.  Brian

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 20 2020 4:30 AM

Brian you can 'upload' personal books which will you can then download to the desktop app (not mobile or web). Just click the book in the personal book tool, then below the build button there should be an upload button.

However I would not recommend this, as you can never delete the books once uploaded (you can however hide them) so the possibility exists where you end up with a book that you no longer want, maybe you find an error or something, that you cannot truly get rid of.

I think you can amend the books and re-upload (not 100% on that so hopefully someone else can advise), but that is contingent on your current Logos installation on the computer you created the file. If you HDD dies or something, you will not be able to change that file. You would have to recreate it.

It depends on how OCD you are about things. It very much disturbs me.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 20 2020 5:28 AM

You can copy the PBB compiled file to a flash drive and scan the flash drive on the other PC.  Headed out the door so I don't have time to give the full instructions right now. But there is a way other then UPLOAD.

Or you can move the docx file to the other machine and compile the PBB there also

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 20 2020 8:10 AM

Brain - The others I think gave you what you needed to know, but for clarification: 

As long as you have the appropriate "use internet" options still turned on, then the metadata (i.e. title, author, etc.) automatically syncs, as does the PBB project. What doesn't sync is the actual compiled book. 

You have two choices on that: 1) compile the book on the second device or 2) use the "scan" method that David mentioned. As he said, to compile it on the second device, you will need access to the original .docx file on the second computer. I use dropbox to store mine and have access. 

Kevin's issue, which which a vocal minority are in agreement, is that FL does not currently have (nor do I think they have plans to implement) a means to delete the file from their servers. If that would be an issue, it may be best not to "upload" the compiled file. If it is only a mild issue, then if you decide to not use that resource you can 1) hide it or 2) wipe over it with new content. 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 20 2020 8:32 AM

JT (alabama24):
As long as you have the appropriate "use internet" options still turned on, then the metadata (i.e. title, author, etc.) automatically syncs, as does the PBB project.

I'm no longer sure that's still (or always) true, based on my two L9/V9 installations. 

JT (alabama24):
FL does not currently have (nor do I think they have plans to implement) a means to delete the file from their servers. If that would be an issue, it may be best not to "upload" the compiled file. If it is only a mild issue, then if you decide to not use that resource you can 1) hide it or 2) wipe over it with new content. 

Generally speaking, it seems strange to me that people trust FL with their prayers and their sermons, but then object against having PB files on FL's servers where they probably are stored in encrypted form anyways. Uploading after every build is the most easy way to have PBs synced between two installations. 

Running Logos 9 latest (beta) version on Win 10

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 20 2020 8:45 AM

NB.Mick:

Generally speaking, it seems strange to me that people trust FL with their prayers and their sermons, but then object against having PB files on FL's servers where they probably are stored in encrypted form anyways. Uploading after every build is the most easy way to have PBs synced between two installations. 

For me it is not a trust issue, if I ever spotted an error I could not correct it would slowly drive me round the bend I think.

I imagine one reason, perhaps the main reason, why they don't implement it, is that there would many more support calls from people asking for help  to recover items accidentally deleted.

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Brian Kom | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 20 2020 8:48 AM

Thank you so much for your help.  I truly appreciate it.  I'm humbled that you would take the time to help.  God bless.  Brian

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 20 2020 9:07 AM

Kevin:
I imagine one reason, perhaps the main reason, why they don't implement it, is that there would many more support calls from people asking for help  to recover items accidentally deleted.

That might be part of it, but the biggest reason is that the feature didn't quite do what they had hoped it would. People don't use it for "personal" books, they use it for building books from other authors... which competes against FL. This is hashed out in a LONG thread. It is also why they will not sync with mobile. 

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Bernhard | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 20 2020 3:19 PM

Kevin:
if I ever spotted an error I could not correct it

Why can you not correct it? Just change the docx file, recompile and upload again! Where is the problem?

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 20 2020 9:46 PM

Bernhard:

Why can you not correct it? Just change the docx file, recompile and upload again! Where is the problem?

Kevin:

I think you can amend the books and re-upload (not 100% on that so hopefully someone else can advise), but that is contingent on your current Logos installation on the computer you created the file. If you HDD dies or something, you will not be able to change that file. You would have to recreate it.

Do you know of a way of modifying an uploaded personal book in this scenario, where for whatever reason, you lose access to that original Logos installation?

I doubt everyone keeps full backups of their Logos folder, so I will not recommend this without making them aware of potential issues, they can then make their own judgement call.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 21 2020 1:03 AM

Kevin:
Do you know of a way of modifying an uploaded personal book in this scenario, where for whatever reason, you lose access to that original Logos installation?

If you lost the source docx files you would be unable to modify a PB (uploaded or otherwise). It would be advisable to back them up to a removable drive, or store them in the cloud as well as locally e.g. OneDrive. I'm not sure what you mean by having full backups of our Logos folder, as that would refer to the built PB in the Resources folder. If you upload all your PB's, you won't lose those files, otherwise you have to rebuild them! You don't store the docx files in the Logos folder...

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 21 2020 2:17 AM

I never spoke about losing the docx. If you lost your Logos installation, for instance if the HDD failed, but still had the docx (most people backup their documents), how would you amend a previously uploaded pbb? You could recreate the pbb from the docx, but that would be a new file, and as far as I can tell, there is no way to create or change the association of a book in the Personal Books Tool with an uploaded file.

Perhaps you could just amend the db file, I have not cared to investigate that far, but even so it is certainly not something I would want to help someone with over the forum.

My reference to backing up the entire Logos folder, is that you would then still be able to change the uploaded file, by recovering that backup, which would still have the reference to the uploaded file associated with the local file......but I doubt most people do back up their entire folder.

This is not a problem I have, it is a problem other people might have, if they have uploaded files, lose their Logos installation, have no backup, then have files on the server they can no longer amend. This is why I won't recommend uploading unless they are quite happy to potentially have files that they can no longer edit.

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Bernhard | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 21 2020 2:46 AM

Kevin:
I never spoke about losing the docx. If you lost your Logos installation, for instance if the HDD failed, but still had the docx (most people backup their documents), how would you amend a previously uploaded pbb? You could recreate the pbb from the docx, but that would be a new file, and as far as I can tell, there is no way to create or change the association of a book in the Personal Books Tool with an uploaded file.

That is not correct. You can recompile the book with the changed docx file:

  • Open the Personal Books Builder on your new computer and scroll to the book in question
  • If the docx file is located at the exact same path on your new computer as before, just hit "Build Book" and you are done
  • If it is located in a different location, it will show with an exclamation mark. Right-click on that, delete. Then click "Add file" and point it to the amended docx file in the new location

I have just tested this, and in my case it even retained previously applied highlights (I believe that could depend on how much was changed in the docx file between builds).

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 21 2020 2:50 AM

 Bernard on a new installation, the Personal Books Builder will be empty.

I just checking this....maybe this is not the case.

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Bernhard | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 21 2020 2:55 AM

Kevin:

 Bernard on a new installation, the Personal Books Builder will be empty.

Sorry - but that is just not true. Your PB projects are synced between your installations.

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 21 2020 2:58 AM

Bernhard:

Kevin:

 Bernard on a new installation, the Personal Books Builder will be empty.

Sorry - but that is just not true. Your PB projects are synced between your installations.

I have just checked and you are right, it does sync the projects, which pretty much negates all my concerns. Thank you

What is interesting though is that I had projects on one, that had not synced......I will try a few things.

Cheers.

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 21 2020 3:05 AM

I don't know why but my projects on one installation were not syncing to the other, which is why I had assumed wrongly (for several years now) that there was no project sync. However deleting my Documents/Personal Books folder initiated a sync from the server and all my projects from my main computer appeared on this one.

I had created the secondary installation from the backup of the first, perhaps doing this caused a corruption and stopped it syncing.

Anyway basically ignore everything I said then, as there is no possibility (unless you delete the project perhaps?) of not being able to edit the uploaded book. Zip it!

Edit - Just checked and creating a new book the project does sync, and had been mostly, just the latest book had not.....so sorry all for confusing everyone. I don't know why I had this wrong for so long. I never really had the need to look into it, I don't uses the backup computer often at all, it is just there in case main dies....and I just kept that assumption from my early days in Logos. Something led me to believe this, perhaps there was a sync issue back then, but at least wiser now.

Thanks

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 21 2020 3:31 AM

So Brian, my advice has changed. Use the upload function Smile Yes

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 22 2020 8:12 AM

Scan from Wiki

Scan {Resource Path} - finds unlocked books in a folder or on a disk.

 

You must first find your PBB files

A PBB file has the name similar to 5ef51f82dcde4751b50c52a59c7ce8ef.lbspbb

All end in .lbspbb

And these are found at something like:

D:\Users\User1\AppData\Local\Logos\Data\admhbkzb.2ys\ResourceManager\Resources

Where D is the drive letter: Most likely C:

Where Logos maybe Logos4

Where “admhbkzb.2ys” will be a “random” string probably unique to your system

Copy all the files ending in .lbspbb to a flash drive

Move the flash drive to your second machine

In the command box of Logos type scan followed by the path name to the flashdrive.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 22 2020 8:14 AM

Bernhard:

Your PB projects are synced between your installations.

If you use UPLOAD for all of you PBB books

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