Catholic Denominational Groupings in Verbum 9 Passage Guide Commentaries section

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Greg Rose | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Dec 2 2020 12:52 PM

The Catholic Grouping in the Passage Guide Commentaries Section is missing several Commentaries that are Catholic.  These missed ones show up in the ".." section which I'm guessing means unassigned or non-denominational.  However I believe the following should be included in the "Catholic" Denomination.  They are as follows:

1. The Navarre Bible

2. The Ignatius Catholic Study Bible

3. A Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture

4. Catholic Commentary on Sacred Scripture (hit and miss inclusion on this one)

5. Little Rock Catholic Study Bible

The Catholic Commentary on Sacred Scripture is included in the Catholic Denominational grouping for Acts and Romans but not for Matthew.

I ran passage guides for Genesis 3, Danial 7, Matthew 7, Acts and Romans to see whether the commentaries would show up in the Catholic denomination or the misc. group. Except as noted above in number 4. they did NOT show up under the Catholic denomination.

I saw some posts indicating that the denominational groupings may be based on author.  However, regardless of the author it seems that the above commentaries should be in the Catholic Grouping.

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Thank you, Greg. We've been updating and correcting the denomination for a lot of commentaries, and your list is very helpful!

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John W Gillis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 2 2020 2:52 PM

I did a quick look thru the NT in the Passage Guide and found a few more Catholic entries coming up as undefined:

  • Thomas Aquinas' Commentaries on St Matthew and St John
  • The Collegeville Commentary (original, by Bergant/Karris, eds.)
  • Edward Sri,: Mystery of the Kingdom: On the Gospel of Matthew.
  • Albert Vanhoye: A Different Priest: The Letter to the Hebrews.

And if you're taking comments on the Guide configuration, I'd love to see resources like Study Bibles, Bible Studies, Translators Notes, and Handbooks moved out of the Commentaries division, and moved into one or more new section options. I'm not even sure Bible Studies fit here at all.

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Greg Rose | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2020 4:23 AM

In Verbum there is the "Catholic Topical Index" in the Guides section. I'm not sure how this is structured but it would be helpful to have the Factbook point to entries in this index. E.g. if you entered "Baptism" into the Factbook you should see be pointed to an the entry for Baptism in the Catholic Topical Index. The entry in the Catholic Topical Index points to a good amount of additional material. 

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I do not have a timeline for you, but updating the Index (and similar things, like the Saints resource) is planned work for the coming year.

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2020 11:21 AM

As of this morning we finished evaluating all English Commentaries with persons for authors.

If something isn't showing up (from a Catholic perspective) it means either:

  • the author is a corporate entity. It will make sense to add these. Thank you for the list.
  • We didn't have denominational info for the author.
  • We missed it.

I'll take a look at the titles mentioned here and see what we can do.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 13 2020 2:03 PM

Kyle G. Anderson:

If something isn't showing up (from a Catholic perspective) it means either:

I'm interested in what it means when some of the JPS Tanakh commentaries (obviously Jewish) are showing up without denominational affiliation, as well as Theodore of Mopsuestia ( https://ref.ly/logosres/theodorepistxt?ref=BibleVUL.Ga ) and St. Augustine ( https://ref.ly/logosres/agstnwrtgsot01?ref=Page.p+iii ), who for PG schema purposes are clearly Patristic, although I guess that that commentary Theodore of Mopsuestia isn't in English, so that's one out of three solved. Anyway, Rabbi Jacob Milgrom ( https://ref.ly/logosres/ccs03le?ref=BibleBHS.Le1-4 ) was Jewish, though he seems to have been missed. I also note my surprise at finding that a number of commentaries written by employees of Faithlife still lack any form of denominational classification, not even "Other Protestant".

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 14 2020 7:51 AM

SineNomine:

Kyle G. Anderson:

If something isn't showing up (from a Catholic perspective) it means either:

I'm interested in what it means when some of the JPS Tanakh commentaries (obviously Jewish) are showing up without denominational affiliation, as well as Theodore of Mopsuestia ( https://ref.ly/logosres/theodorepistxt?ref=BibleVUL.Ga ) and St. Augustine ( https://ref.ly/logosres/agstnwrtgsot01?ref=Page.p+iii ), who for PG schema purposes are clearly Patristic, although I guess that that commentary Theodore of Mopsuestia isn't in English, so that's one out of three solved. Anyway, Rabbi Jacob Milgrom ( https://ref.ly/logosres/ccs03le?ref=BibleBHS.Le1-4 ) was Jewish, though he seems to have been missed. I also note my surprise at finding that a number of commentaries written by employees of Faithlife still lack any form of denominational classification, not even "Other Protestant".

I was speaking directly from a Catholic perspective earlier but from a non-Catholic perspective there are two other buckets concerning authors:

  1. They're an author we have information, it fits broadly in a denomination or faith tradition category (Jewish is one of these) but we don't have a supported label for it yet. This will be coming soon.
  2. The information we have for the author is less denomination and more theological tradition (Evangelical and Dispensationalist are the big ones for these).

We finished a big audit of all English authors and we now have a big bucket of author's that aren't currently exposed and we'll be figuring out our next steps.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 14 2020 4:06 PM

Kyle G. Anderson:

I was speaking directly from a Catholic perspective earlier but from a non-Catholic perspective there are two other buckets concerning authors:

  1. They're an author we have information, it fits broadly in a denomination or faith tradition category (Jewish is one of these) but we don't have a supported label for it yet. This will be coming soon.
  2. The information we have for the author is less denomination and more theological tradition (Evangelical and Dispensationalist are the big ones for these).

We finished a big audit of all English authors and we now have a big bucket of author's that aren't currently exposed and we'll be figuring out our next steps.

Thank you for explaining. Smile I was confused about the JPS Tanakh authors, because I saw that some were listed under Judaism, but not all of them.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 8 2021 9:40 AM

Greg Rose:
The entry in the Catholic Topical Index points to a good amount of additional material. 

It would be interesting if a section of the CTI could be dedicated for the user to place location links to particular relevant resources.

It would be like making a custom guide.

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David Wanat | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 8 2021 10:28 AM

Does Logos 9 have the ability to search for results by denomination? If it has that, can somebody point me in the direction on where to find it?

And if not, can it be implemented?

I get that there's an issue of some works not easily fitting into categorization, and I am okay with that. But with an 8000+ book library, it would be nice to cut down the resources I need to work through to find a particular denominational approach.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 8 2021 10:58 AM

David Wanat:

But with an 8000+ book library, it would be nice to cut down the resources I need to work through to find a particular denominational approach.

But with 8000+ book library it would be nice to have a way to see an author's expected 'denominational approach' to help evaluate their comments.  And with the way I do some of my research I still want them to show up in a search. I just want a way to know where they are coming from. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 8 2021 11:38 AM

Hamilton Ramos:
It would be interesting if a section of the CTI could be dedicated for the user to place location links to particular relevant resources.

The CTI is a Guide section in which all the references are linked to resources containing them. I'm not certain what you are asking for. Can you elaborate?

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 11 2021 1:01 PM

Yes MJ: At one point CTI was a resource.

I wish one could customize it so that location links to content within other resources could be placed in it, but without damaging the original content, just additional links for own use (relevant information links).

Ideally it would be good to be able to add link to a canvas doc that could be used as a mind map type index where links to particular locations within resources could be grouped for easy access and that are related to the headword in the CTI.

So for example in the love headword entry, if one could add a link to a canvas doc that has a mind map that has more links to particular resources and that could be grouped by denomination, type of love, etc. 

That way when I look up Love in the CTI I could also have access to favorite type links to information from other resources, not only Scripture, Church docs, CCC, Fathers, etc.

So a hypothetical workflow would be:

I do a canvas in mind map format and add location within the resource links to where the relevant information is in monographs, etc.

The canvas will then become a visual index of what I consider to be helpful concepts / content.

Then ideally I would have the ability to place a link in the CTI to such canvas: (see red rectangle which represents area where user can add links to canvas docs).

That way I would have a handy way to get all my relevant info concerning christian love in one place: chi with my links to canvas docs used as visual index to resources contents via links, and to sites if needed.

For example if I wanted a quick definition I could link to the following:

Such system would allow me to edit such visual index mind map in canvas to refine, improve, enlarge, and not have to do complicated stuff to renew links etc.

Hope this clarifies a bit what I meant.

Some material I used as sources for the above:

http://michaelkelley.co/2020/02/3-unique-characteristics-of-christian-love/

https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-terms/what-does-agape-love-really-mean-in-the-bible.html

https://www.usingmindmaps.com/how-to-mind-map-a-text-book.html

https://simplemind.eu/how-to-mind-map/examples/creating-a-book-summary-in-a-mind-map/

And the canvas mind maps could get big or not depending on the user:

https://rickthomas.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Christian-Maturity-Mind-Map-1390x789.png

Example from:   https://rickthomas.net/mind-mapping-christian-maturity-you-know-youre-mature-when/

Another site with mind map example:

http://christianity-rediscovered.blogspot.com/2013/06/living-new-christian-life-in-society.html

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