FAITHLIFE IS MORE LIKE A BUSINESS

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Liep Liebenberg | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Dec 30 2020 12:33 AM

I agree with some of the forum readers, Faithlife is more after money, that spreading the word. Now where can I find a passage in the Bible where Jesus asked for money before he would preach or heal. They remind me of Microsoft, they have the monopoly and if you want to get something to help to prepare for a sermon, you need to pay.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 1:19 AM

FaithLife, precisely, is a business. https://faithlife.com/about 

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 1:19 AM

Hi Liep, welcome to the forums.

Logos is really only as good as it is, because they charge for the features and resources. There is free software out there as an example which many people use happily, however in comparison with Logos, it has limited resources, and limited features, so I for one am glad that they do charge.

Also, Logos have payment plans as an option, also have you looked at https://connect.faithlife.com/ which has a subscription for features and some resources in Logos?

You are able to leave your investment to someone else when you retire from this world or earlier if you wish, for a small $20 fee, which I think is an amazing gift to leave someone.

It seems to me the investment in the software and features over a lifetime of ministry/study is very minimal per year.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 1:27 AM

Liep Liebenberg:
I agree with some of the forum readers, Faithlife is more after money, that spreading the word. Now where can I find a passage in the Bible where Jesus asked for money before he would preach or heal. They remind me of Microsoft, they have the monopoly and if you want to get something to help to prepare for a sermon, you need to pay

This sounds like it isn't a discussion of the software:

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 2:38 AM

You are correct! Faithlife is a business and if they didn’t sell they couldn’t produce the software nor its features  👍😁👌

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Gregory Lawhorn | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 3:18 AM
Liep Liebenberg:

I agree with some of the forum readers, Faithlife is more after money, that spreading the word. Now where can I find a passage in the Bible where Jesus asked for money before he would preach or heal. They remind me of Microsoft, they have the monopoly and if you want to get something to help to prepare for a sermon, you need to pay.

I think it's sad that ANYONE thinks that Faithlife is a non-profit ministry. Of course they are a business! Do you think that Bob is a Bill-Gates billionaire, paying for all of this out of the goodness of his heart? Do you think that Faithlife's programmers, scholars, support people, etc., donate their free time on weekends? Good grief. Besides, even if Faithlife WERE a ministry and not a business, they would still require – and deserve – financial support. You're right, Jesus never charged anyone. That same Jesus said that "the worker is worthy of his support." His apostle, Paul, said, "those who proclaim the Gospel should get their living from the Gospel" (First Corinthians 9:14), and "you shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain" and "the laborer deserves his wages." (First Timothy 5:18).
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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 4:41 AM

Gregory Lawhorn:
That same Jesus said that "the worker is worthy of his support." His apostle, Paul, said, "those who proclaim the Gospel should get their living from the Gospel" (First Corinthians 9:14), and "you shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain" and "the laborer deserves his wages." (First Timothy 5:18).

Not to mention Hezekiah 2:30 'you shall not feed the Trolls for fear of unremitting evil assailing your head'

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 5:49 AM

Mike Binks:
you shall not feed the Trolls

I suspect the 'troll' is FL Marketing ... it's that time of year. 'Oh, please! Disaster will strike and evil will assail your head, unless you spend your last farthing on the Logos 9!  Did we mention what might occur without Logos 9 .... oh, good.'

For a company that markets itself as free software, each major upgrade has its marketing recipients crying out in pain ... money, money ... they demand my money!

Just like the famous tent-maker of Christian yore ... 'Yes, kind sir, last season's tent may well burn in a conflagration, unless you update to this season's unbelievable gorgeous tent with ALL these features (silver and above .. no bronze)!'

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Bob Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 6:16 AM

I'm surprised that this is even a question.  Yes, of course FL is a business.  There is no way in the world that all of these fantastic resources would just be given away.  The software itself is a marvelous achievement--shouldn't those who worked so hard on it receive payment for their work?  The fact is that FL does give away an amazing amount of stuff, for which I am very grateful.  I have a huge library which did cost money, but not nearly as much as if I had purchased all these as physical books.

Try this:  go to any bookstore that sells books in which you are interested.  Go up to the clerk and ask him/her if you can just walk out with any books you like without paying.  I'm guessing they will not agree to that.  Does that make them bad people?  No, because that's the business they're in, and they'd like to feed their families as well.

Faithlife has produced an amazing piece of software that enriches our lives in our study of God's Word.  The free version alone is probably better than what you could have purchased only a few years ago.  I am thankful for the number of resources that are available for free, but I certainly don't begrudge FL for attempting to make a profit.  If you do, there's nothing forcing you to buy their products.

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Jerry Bush | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 6:18 AM

The OP troll only has one post, so...

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Kevin S. Coy | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 6:20 AM

"If you do, there's nothing forcing you to buy their products." 

Yes

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 6:27 AM

Denise:
I suspect the 'troll' is FL Marketing ... it's that time of year. 'Oh, please! Disaster will strike and evil will assail your head, unless you spend your last farthing on the Logos 9!  Did we mention what might occur without Logos 9 .... oh, good.'

Aren't we all becoming a tetchy lot these days? Perhaps its being 'covid couped' that is fraying the ragged edges!

All marketing helps and hinders, and it all should be taken with a 'pinch of salt'.

Denise:
For a company that markets itself as free software, each major upgrade has its marketing recipients crying out in pain ... money, money ... they demand my money!

Except that they don't demand more money. Some folk soldier on with L7 without parting with a single sou. Of course, they extol the benefits of us spending more and are light on telling us that nothing is lost by not doing so. I guess they would like to be able to pay off the mortgage and give their kids at least one decent meal a day (capitalist swine that they are).

For your pinch of biblical salt (guaranteed to be the same chemical composition as the condiment Lot's wife became) just send $10 and a square of blue paper - Your pinch of salt will be sent by return post.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 7:18 AM

Mike Binks:
Aren't we all becoming a tetchy lot these days?

Probably where we part company, if indeed. 'Business' is ancient ... not a modern contraption meriting worship. If you go into akkadian, their rules of the road almost exactly match today's, 4,000 years later. And their expectations for being 'up-front' are ancient as well. The diety of the Israelites even got excited about it, later matched by a guy from Nazareth.

But modern Christianity is very quick to protect 'business', no matter the behavior. Why the need for the school-yard pile-on in this thread? Accusations of 'troll'??

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David Wanat | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 7:46 AM

Denise:

But modern Christianity is very quick to protect 'business', no matter the behavior. Why the need for the school-yard pile-on in this thread? Accusations of 'troll'??

Speaking as someone who’s used it since it was Libronix, I think it’s an unjust accusation. Logos is professional software that provides invaluable tools for research. The price reflects that. I think a lot of critics who don’t know what it costs (labor, acquisition of rights) expect the company to sell the product at a price far below expenses. The thing is, one doesn’t have to buy the Gold or higher package. One doesn’t have to upgrade from 8 to 9. FL doesn’t break the product for those who won’t upgrade.

 The accusation of being dishonest or deceptive certainly needs to be substantiated beyond grumbling about price. Yes, Faithlife is a business, not a charity. But thinking the accusation unjust ≠ “protecting business“ in an undiscerning justification 

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Bob Price | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 8:43 AM

Denise:

Probably where we part company, if indeed. 'Business' is ancient ... not a modern contraption meriting worship. If you go into akkadian, their rules of the road almost exactly match today's, 4,000 years later. And their expectations for being 'up-front' are ancient as well. The diety of the Israelites even got excited about it, later matched by a guy from Nazareth.

Denise,

Could you elaborate a bit on what you meant here?  I'm sorry, but I don't think I follow what you're trying to say.  Thanks!

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 8:58 AM

Ooookaay.... Let's say I changed and went to the monthly route...  would I get access to more books free? I understand I get more features... tell me true... :)

xn = Christan  man=man

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 9:03 AM

Bob Price:
Could you elaborate a bit on what you meant here? 

Well, in its simple form, 'Logos as a business' was of far greater importance above, than (probably) a Christian who is likely wound up, maybe got carried away, and would benefit from some pointers at FL's untrumpeted (by FL Marketing in the L9 roll-out) tendency to give Bible study material away for free.

Now, as regards Mr Binks who I admire, who normally would calm the gentleman down, and who is quite intelligent and educated, I compared the behavior and daily values of the worst known empire (utilized by the diety of the cosmos to literally obliterate Israel), to modern day Christianity's embrace of 'business-no-matter', suggesting the Assyrian (4,000 years ago) might be the superior.

Yes, I know all about business. But Christian priorites are compatable with making a profit.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 10:15 AM

Denise:
But Christian priorites are compatable with making a profit.

Would you mind sharing what a Christian's priorities should be?

Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 10:22 AM

xnman:
Let's say I changed and went to the monthly route...  would I get access to more books free?

Faithlife Connect subscribers can get 3 free books per month (from a list of 5,721 books).

Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 30 2020 10:47 AM

Thanks PetahChristian

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