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Kevin S. Coy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2021 9:04 AM

Thanks JT.  Basically, I'm just being curious because I didn't know if I should report it as a bug if Verbum was supposed to get it (we are Christians too Big Smile) and I didn't.  If Verbum isn't supposed to get it I'm fine with that, too.

I appreciate your responses and all the help you give throughout the forums.

Thanks,

KSC

“The greatest single cause of atheism...is Christians: who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.” Brennan Marshall

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TL Putnam | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2021 1:09 PM

Kevin S. Coy:
we are Christians too Big Smile

Indeed!

As JT mentioned, the dataset is heavily weighted toward Protestant (and in some cases, very recent Protestant) history. Work has already begun on a dataset that would be more useful and interesting to the Catholic audience. I'd love to connect with you to explore the matter further.

Thank you for advocating for it!

TL

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Kevin S. Coy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2021 2:51 PM

TL,

That is great news about the new dataset.  A lot of history to be input.

KSC

“The greatest single cause of atheism...is Christians: who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.” Brennan Marshall

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2021 3:02 PM

TL Putnam:

the dataset is heavily weighted toward Protestant (and in some cases, very recent Protestant) history. Work has already begun on a dataset that would be more useful and interesting to the Catholic audience. 

Can we assume that which dataset is used [when the "Catholic audience" one is ready] will depend on the setting of "Verbum" [as in "set Verbum to No" or "set Verbum to Yes"] ?

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2021 3:27 PM

Clicked on the card “Today in Christian History”

Got a line starting with a flag about:

“1986 Charismatic Bible Ministries Is Founded Organization”

Clicked on the flag and nothing happened. 

Is that what I should expect? [or did nothing happen because I do not own the resource that the link pointed to?]

[Also was shown a media image that opened when clicked and gave:

A photo with the caption: "On January 21, 1956, Patriarch Timotheus of Jerusalem was buried. Clothed in all his vestments his body is on view to Orthodox Arab and Greek mourners"]

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2021 4:50 PM

David Ames:

Clicked on the card “Today in Christian History”

Got a line starting with a flag about:

“1986 Charismatic Bible Ministries Is Founded Organization”

Clicked on the flag and nothing happened. 

Is that what I should expect? [or did nothing happen because I do not own the resource that the link pointed to?]

<snip/>

We created a number of new Timeline events to support the Today in Christian History data: i don't think they've all gotten shipped yet. This one does exist internally, so it should get shipped soon. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2021 6:44 PM

TL Putnam:
As JT mentioned, the dataset is heavily weighted toward Protestant (and in some cases, very recent Protestant) history.

And here I thought the criteria was events involving people and organizations of which MJ has never heard. Wink But I was thinking of this problem last night. There is no practical way for Faithlife to cover enough of the theological/denominational streams to keep it both interesting and useful for everyone. I started imagining denominational add-ins that one could select as options. While owned and maintained by Faithlife, they would be created by users who self-identify with the denominational stream. In other words, Faithlife asks Catholics, Anglicans, Orthodox, Baptists, Wesleyians ... for events they consider worth offering. Faithlife creates the necessary entry for those that meet Faithlife criteria - and tags them by theological stream. User requests by theological stream and get events they find interesting/useful ...

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2021 6:45 PM

David Ames:
the dataset is heavily weighted toward Protestant (and in some cases, very recent Protestant) history. Work has already begun on a dataset that would be more useful and interesting to the Catholic audience. 

Although I am not Catholic, I would still be interested in a "Today in Christian History" card from the Catholic perspective.  Does this mean I would have to purchase a Verbum package too?

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2021 6:48 PM

MJ. Smith:
In other words, Faithlife asks Catholics, Anglicans, Orthodox, Baptists, Wesleyians ... for events they consider worth offering. Faithlife creates the necessary entry for those that meet Faithlife criteria - and tags them by theological stream. User requests by theological stream and get events they find interesting/useful ...

Can we also add different centuries.  I happen to be very interested in the first few hundred years of the church.  I think such a list could get very lengthy very quickly.  Smile

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2021 6:54 PM

Ronald Quick:
Can we also add different centuries.

Have more interesting events than can be counted on one's fingers happened after 1500?

Big Smile

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 21 2021 10:45 PM

Dave Couch:

It appears that the expected use case is for Logos to be closed and reopened daily.

I say this because the 'Today in Christian History' card does not update unless I press Refresh on the Dashboard. This is similar behaviour to Reading Plans saying 'tomorrow' when it is in fact today's reading

Logos does very well being left open for several days. I can't verify your report for date-based cards, but it could be suggested that the software should update them when switching to the Home Page.

Dave
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Dave Couch | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 22 2021 1:07 AM

Here's what I saw this morning (January 22nd). You can see that Logos still thinks it is January 21st. When I hit refresh on the dashboard everything fixes itself.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 22 2021 3:11 PM

I left Logos on the Home Page overnight and noticed this morning that my Devotional showed the wrong date. When I re-opened the Home Page it had been corrected. I didn't check the "Today in Christian..." card. But I noticed that "Today" was correct when checked a couple of Reading Plans in my layout (I'll have to check this tomorrow, because it could have been updated when I re-opened the Home Page).

Are you on Mac?

Dave
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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 22 2021 4:51 PM

Sean Boisen:

We created a number of new Timeline events to support the Today in Christian History data: i don't think they've all gotten shipped yet. This one does exist internally, so it should get shipped soon. 

question: Yesterday I only got a headline. Today I got some more so I clicked on it and got a paragraph from one of the resources I own on the subject.  What I expected was a brief paragraph on the topic of the day. What I think I got today was a link into my library. And yesterday, as I do not own the resource, I did not get a link.   

I maybe wrong but using the first two samples that other than the headline I see nothing unless I own the correct resource on the subject.

Does that mean that If I only owned a basic [small] library I should only see just a headline on today's item?  Or am I using the tool wrong?

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 22 2021 5:43 PM

Kevin S. Coy:
If Verbum isn't supposed to get it I'm fine with that, too.

I have it in Verbum.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 22 2021 5:53 PM

David Ames:
I maybe wrong but using the first two samples that other than the headline I see nothing unless I own the correct resource on the subject.

You don't get taken to the Factbook entry for the "headline"?

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 22 2021 6:21 PM

MJ. Smith:

David Ames:
I maybe wrong but using the first two samples that other than the headline I see nothing unless I own the correct resource on the subject.

You don't get taken to the Factbook entry for the "headline"?

tried some more dates. 20 & 22 take me to Factbook  21 did not - most likely because this is still a work in process. 

[And also now I know how to use the tool a bit better. [found out how to change date]  Thanks for the encouragement!] 

January 20

1669 Life of Susanna Wesley Birth •  

Susanna WesleyWoman, 1669–1742 — Wesley is known as the Mother of Methodism, being the mother of John and Charles Wesley, founders of Methodism. She ran her household with good discipline and gave her children an attentive and complete education.

 January 21

1986 Charismatic Bible Ministries Is Founded Organization

 Did not get link to Factbook 

January 22

1876 Death of John Dykes, Composer of the Hymn Holy, Holy Holy Death •  John Bacchus Dykes (Writer of Hymn-Tunes)

John Bacchus Dykes (Writer of Hymn-Tunes)Anglican, Author, Composer, Hymn Writer, Man, 1823–1876 — John Bacchus Dykes was a leader in the Church of England, but left to Surrey after the church court ruled against him. His fame comes from his three hundred hymns, which include “Holy, Holy, Holy.

 

1913 Life of Theologian Carl F. H. Henry Birth •  Carl Ferdinand Howard Henry (Theologian and Editor)

Carl Ferdinand Howard Henry (Theologian and Editor)Man, Theologian, 1913–2003 — Carl F. H. Henry was an evangelical theologian in America who served as the first editor-in-chief for “Christianity Today”, a magazine developed to be a scholarly voic

 

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Kevin S. Coy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 23 2021 5:08 AM

SineNomine:

Kevin S. Coy:
If Verbum isn't supposed to get it I'm fine with that, too.

I have it in Verbum.

Interesting....I own Verbum 9 Platinum and a Verbum Now subscriber and I don't have it.

Thanks,

KSC

“The greatest single cause of atheism...is Christians: who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.” Brennan Marshall

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SineNomine:
I have it in Verbum.

It's not limited by whether you are running Verbum or Logos. It's limited by whether you have purchased a Logos base packaged.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 23 2021 7:13 AM

MJ. Smith:

TL Putnam:
As JT mentioned, the dataset is heavily weighted toward Protestant (and in some cases, very recent Protestant) history.

And here I thought the criteria was events involving people and organizations of which MJ has never heard. Wink But I was thinking of this problem last night. There is no practical way for Faithlife to cover enough of the theological/denominational streams to keep it both interesting and useful for everyone. I started imagining denominational add-ins that one could select as options. While owned and maintained by Faithlife, they would be created by users who self-identify with the denominational stream. In other words, Faithlife asks Catholics, Anglicans, Orthodox, Baptists, Wesleyians ... for events they consider worth offering. Faithlife creates the necessary entry for those that meet Faithlife criteria - and tags them by theological stream. User requests by theological stream and get events they find interesting/useful ...

Let me try to further your imagination.

Here are two Google sheets:

I've shared them so anybody with the link can edit them (please don't share outside Logos forums, since it exposes some of our data).

You can either

  • Add events for one of these denominational groups (see the Meta tab for directions).
  • Move existing "generic" events from the "Generic TICH" tab to the main tab, to indicate this event is also of interest to this denominational group.

We can do more denominational groups like this if there's interest, but i'd like to prove the concept out before creating a lot of these. Exact implementation and licensing details TBD: my primary goal here is to gauge if there's enough interest in the community to fill out the data, because it all starts there. 

Reposted on its own thread here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/198338/1149486.aspx. Please follow up there with questions and comments to avoid hijacking this thread. 

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