Soliciting "Today in Christian History" data for Baptist and Orthodox denominations

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jan 23 2021 7:23 AM

(New thread based on M.J. Smith's post 9.2 (9.2.0.0014) is now available - Faithlife Forums)

We've recently (9.2) shipped new data for Today in Christian History. The particular set of events is largely oriented toward modern American Protestantism, especially around authors, and some have indicated interest in seeing datasets more specifically tied to particular denominational groups. So here's an opportunity for the community to contribute to growing our data in this area.

Here are two Google sheets:

I've shared them so anybody with the link can edit them (please don't share outside Logos forums).

You can either

  • Add events for one of these denominational groups (see the Meta tab for directions).
  • Move existing "generic" events from the "Generic TICH" tab to the main tab, to indicate this event is also of interest to this denominational group.

We can do more denominational groups like this if there's interest, but i'd like to prove the concept out before creating a lot of these. Exact implementation and licensing details TBD: my primary goal here is to gauge if there's enough interest in the community to fill out the data, because it all starts there. 

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 23 2021 7:43 AM

I'm glad to see this and have started contributing to the Orthodox History one.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 23 2021 10:14 AM

Sean Boisen:
(New thread based on M.J. Smith's post 9.2 (9.2.0.0014) is now available - Faithlife Forums)

Seems the link should go to https://community.logos.com/forums/p/198232/1149273.aspx#1149273 but is broken...

Running Logos 9 latest (beta) version on Win 10

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 23 2021 10:41 AM

NB.Mick:

Sean Boisen:
(New thread based on M.J. Smith's post 9.2 (9.2.0.0014) is now available - Faithlife Forums)

Seems the link should go to https://community.logos.com/forums/p/198232/1149273.aspx#1149273 but is broken...

Fixed above: thanks!

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 23 2021 11:28 AM

Sean Boisen:

some have indicated interest in seeing datasets more specifically tied to particular denominational groups. 

Maybe now is the time to start planing how we will select a "particular denominational group"

Some of us just might want to see them all.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 23 2021 6:50 PM

David Ames:

Maybe now is the time to start planing how we will select a "particular denominational group"

Some of us just might want to see them all.

I wouldn't be surprised if some/most/all of the denominationally-targeted events become available in the generic version.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 24 2021 2:11 PM

SineNomine:

David Ames:

Maybe now is the time to start planing how we will select a "particular denominational group"

Some of us just might want to see them all.

I wouldn't be surprised if some/most/all of the denominationally-targeted events become available in the generic version.

It's also the case that denominationally-targeted events can still be denominationally-targeted events for multiple denominations. For example, both Reformed- and Lutheran-targeted event sets ought to have events related to Martin Luther. More relevant to this thread thus far, almost all  of the events of particular interest to the Orthodox that occurred in the first millennium AD are also of interest to Catholics, and vice versa. Elsewhere TL Putnam of Verbum has noted that a Catholic version is being worked on (presumably by FL staff), so in my own contributions to the Orthodox event data in this thread I'm basically ignoring the first millennium, so as not to duplicate that work.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2021 6:26 AM

SineNomine:

It's also the case that denominationally-targeted events can still be denominationally-targeted events for multiple denominations. For example, both Reformed- and Lutheran-targeted event sets ought to have events related to Martin Luther. More relevant to this thread thus far, almost all  of the events of particular interest to the Orthodox that occurred in the first millennium AD are also of interest to Catholics, and vice versa. Elsewhere TL Putnam of Verbum has noted that a Catholic version is being worked on (presumably by FL staff), so in my own contributions to the Orthodox event data in this thread I'm basically ignoring the first millennium, so as not to duplicate that work.

I understand your reasoning, but these datasets are likely to be delivered independently, and we don't currently have a way to combined generic with denominationally-targeted data. I'd recommend you not ignore the first millennium therefore, otherwise those who only use the Orthodox set might get a truncated set of data (though TL might choose to duplicate some of the Orthodox events in the Verbum set). 

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2021 12:50 PM

Sean Boisen:
I'd recommend you not ignore the first millennium therefore, otherwise those who only use the Orthodox set might get a truncated set of data (though TL might choose to duplicate some of the Orthodox events in the Verbum set). 

The straightforward solution to this is Faithlife allowing the Verbum list to be used to inform the Orthodox list.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2021 12:32 AM

SineNomine:
The straightforward solution to this is Faithlife allowing the Verbum list to be used to inform the Orthodox list.

The straightforward solution is to provide a tick box list like what they do with visual filters.

I would want to turn off,

Episcopal, Cameronian, First Sccession,(along with Burghers and Anti-Burghers, Auld Licts and New Licts) Free Church and United Free Continuing.

and that's just for the Church of Scotland!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2021 2:14 AM

SineNomine:
The straightforward solution to this is Faithlife allowing the Verbum list to be used to inform the Orthodox list.

I think many of us have broad interests - (High) Anglican, Catholic (all rites), Eastern Orthodox, (High Lutheran), and Oriental Orthodox are all of primary interests - Mennonites and Stone-Campbell are of secondary interest. But Reformed, Evangelical, Pentecostal, 7th Day Adventist .... these are a waste of time and space for me because I don't have enough of a background to put the events in any meaningful context ... I'm as lost as I'd be at an Australian football game or a Bengali cricket match.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2021 3:48 PM

Mike Binks:

SineNomine:
The straightforward solution to this is Faithlife allowing the Verbum list to be used to inform the Orthodox list.

The straightforward solution is to provide a tick box list like what they do with visual filters.

I'm afraid that your solution is addressing a different problem than mine. MJ's post in response to me is tangential as well.

My post was asking that Faithlife use or allow to be used Verbum's collection of events of interest to Catholics as a source for events of interest to Orthodox in exactly the same way that the Generic list in the Baptist and Orthodox spreadsheets has been offered as a source for events of interest to Baptists and Orthodox.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 29 2021 11:47 AM

SineNomine:

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My post was asking that Faithlife use or allow to be used Verbum's collection of events of interest to Catholics as a source for events of interest to Orthodox in exactly the same way that the Generic list in the Baptist and Orthodox spreadsheets has been offered as a source for events of interest to Baptists and Orthodox.

TL Putnam is still working on this list of Verbum events, but he's agreed to share it (sorry for the delay, but I didn't want to do that until i had his approval): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1apWHwHezhV0HbB5mqHOzm8jfHiTvtCXhl7Hbu3YbQOk/edit#gid=797124844

You'll see the structure is slightly different, but we can sort out the details later. Note he has a number of deleted rows at the bottom, rather than copying from a sheet of generic data. 

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2021 6:27 PM

Thank you. I just saw this now and don't have time to do anything with it at the moment, but I intend to dive in soon.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2021 5:37 PM

Sean Boisen:
So here's an opportunity for the community to contribute to growing our data in this area.

By my count, one month after your post, the Orthodox calendar is now >30% covered.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 22 2021 5:55 PM

SineNomine:

Sean Boisen:
So here's an opportunity for the community to contribute to growing our data in this area.

By my count, one month after your post, the Orthodox calendar is now >30% covered.

Thanks for all your contributions!

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 13 2021 1:11 PM

The Orthodox calendar is now ~40% done.

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